The problem's Wifi congestion - really!

Some of you will have seen my various sarcastic posts regarding Apple wireless networking. I have, on several occasions, suggested that the problem is channel congestion, only for others to dismiss this.

For the last couple of weeks, I've been working away from home and I brought my Mac Book along 'cos I trust it better for internet commerce - fewer viruses and trojans than a PC...

In two different hotels, it connected in seconds and stayed up solid as a rock for hours. This is the Mac Book that has trouble staying connected for ten minutes at home. The difference? At home, the wifi scanner commonly shows between ten and fifteen strong wifi base stations. Here, in a rural hotel, it can only see one.

I'm convinced it's congestion (and, possibly, other forms of interference). That fully explains the symptoms that I see with variable reliability as neighbours turn their access points off during the week while they're out. It also explains why, for many people, there simply isn't a problem and why others who used to work fine now find that their connections are becoming unreliable.

It's not a problem across the board - my wife has an elderly, 802.11b only Mac Book which works fine and my son's brand new Mac also seems ok - but my two year old Mac Book is appalingly unreliable in a congested metropolitan environment while being 100% solid in a low radio interference rural environment.

I'm also convinced that it's a software stack issue. Running network monitoring on a WinTel PC at home shows that the network connection is also dropping quite frequently, but it silently recovers within a second or two so that the only symptom is an occasional drop in throughput. The Apple Wifi stack on 802.11n Macbooks around two years old simply seems unable to recover from interference bursts and other network congestion...

Martin

MacBook, Mac Mini, Vaious PCs, Mac OS X (10.4.10)

Posted on Jun 23, 2009 6:31 AM

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Jun 27, 2009 1:20 AM in response to DaddyPaycheck

No, why?

It's an absolutely standard Macbook about two years old - one of the first with 802.11n installed.

Following my previous posting, I've been connected for hours without a single dropout on the hotel networks - with no other visible wifi networks. At home it rarely stays connected for thirty minutes and often needs a reboot to restore the connection. Things are quiet around home just now - I can only see six medium strength networks...

Martin

Jun 28, 2009 9:09 AM in response to DaddyPaycheck

Well, I do have several networked hard drives in the same room as both the mac and the airport base station, but they are not connected directly to either. I've changed the layout of my gear many times since I first had connectivity problems and nothing makes much difference. Eventually I simply abandoned the built-in wifi in the macbook and bought a third-party usb wifi adaptor - that works fine. But the fact remains that a Macbook which will not remain connected on its internal wifi adaptor for more than a few minutes in my home stays connected for hours in a rural hotel...

My wifi sniffer is currently showing eight wireless networks with signal strengths in the medium to high range and a couple of others down in the noise.

Martin

Jun 28, 2009 3:53 PM in response to Martin Bradford

Hey Martin
I'm also convinced that it's a software stack issue. Running network monitoring on a WinTel PC at home shows that the network connection is also dropping quite frequently, but it silently recovers within a second or two so that the only symptom is an occasional drop in throughput. The Apple Wifi stack on 802.11n Macbooks around two years old simply seems unable to recover from interference bursts and other network congestion...

Some tip would be to ...
Set the WiFi Channel to 'Auto'.
Set the WiFi Multicast Rate to the lowest speed.
Set the Transmit Power @ 100%.
Set the Group Key Timeout to 1 day.
Disable any Bluetooth devices not being used.
All of this has an overall effect to WiFi conductivity. But the biggest problem is interference bursts from all those WiFi networks you see on the WinTel PC sniffer.
Eventually I simply abandoned the built-in wifi in the macbook and bought a third-party usb wifi adaptor - that works fine.

When 802.11n was first released it was based on Draft 2 of the 802.11n proposal but was finalized last summer. Apple then released a 802.11n-enabling software to fix their Draft 2 equipment. That should have fixed the Macbooks WiFi 802.11n stack issue. See this [Apple Article|http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2447] for more info.

Later ...

Buzz

Jun 28, 2009 4:57 PM in response to Martin Bradford

I've had similar issues with my AE base station. I had a WD 500gb hard drive connected to the AE usb port and my powerbook which has been extremely reliable until recently has had several issues connecting to the wireless network and to the network drive. I've gone through the firmware updates to no avail, but noticed the other day after disconnecting the hard drive the problem cleared up. Not sure what may be causing this, and not convinced that it is just congestion, but if you get it figured out let me know.....

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