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PeterBreis0807 wrote:
Neil,

I don't think it was 3 times that of an equal PC.

Probably right there, maybe not 3 times more than equilavent spec PC, but certainly a lot more.

PeterBreis0807 wrote:

Easy is more a description of a unique personal knowledge than reality, I'm afraid.

Sorry, meant to say easy in relation to get stuff working when compared to a Windows machine, iE you just plug it in and it works.

Anyway the question is answered, and this sort of discussion is one that could run and run without any real conclusion or benefit to any of us.

Cheers for the help

Neil

Not done any current research, but that price is about £550 cheaper than my Mac Pro was, before adding the price of the keyboard, screen and mouse, and software. Mine only came with 2 gig RAM, so that one has twice what my Mac Pro did as standard.

I ordered an 8Gig memory upgrade, specifying the 4GB sticks, so I would have spaces spare for any future RAM upgrade, but they sent 2Gb sticks, so only leaving me with only 2 slots left if I ever want to upgrade more as RAM prices come down...Not that I can see the need for more than 10Gb anyway.

I did not even get the Mac screen because it was discontinued once I ordered it. Ok so that was the Apple store, but they tell me that Apple do not tell them when they plan to discontinue stuff, so even once something is ordered and paid for there is no guarantee it will actually arrive

Mine MP had single 500gb HDD, the one you linked two has two, but as you say, no bluetooth, which I cant see a use for on my MacPro.

PeterBreis0807 wrote:
But the Mac mouse, by compensation, is a throw away item in my books, not good design but easily replaced.

Shows how ideas on what is good or not differ, I thought the Mac mouse was one of the better designed parts of the system, nice little scroll ball, feels nice in the hand.

I do not have the figures to hand, but I did price up building a similar spec PC as the base model Mac Pro, so that is where I probably got the three times from...but that would not have included any OS or software, as i would have used the copy of XP Pro that I have on the machine I was scrapping, and dual booted with some flavour of linux/ubuntu. Also would not have had the cost of a new screen so OK I was probably comparing bare system with the MP with software and screen.

This was all back in January, so cant give any exact details, cant even remember the exact spec of the machine I would have built, but it was similar to the base system

Neil

PeterBreis0807 wrote:
but still it is hardly a comparison to match up a brand new fully fitted machine with a cobbled together 2nd hand machine.

No, you misunderstand, it was going to be all new bits. New Mainboard/processors, graphics cards, HDD,s RAM, PSU etc, with the exception of maybe the case, as I have a really nice big server case here with room for many HDD's plus removable HD caddies.

I have had to clean the mouse once since March, and I found using that method with electrical contact cleaner or similar works fine.

Of course, same as I would for any hobby, If I was taking my time in to account with the old Fordson Dexta tractor I am rebuilding, or my '82 Landcruiser that I am re-spraying then I would never do any of it.

I build PC's and do repairs for friends of family, friends of friends etc., all for nothing, it is one of my hobbies. I probably build three or four new machines a year for various people. Buy parts carefully and you should not have problems with parts not working together.

My problem is I expected too much from the Mac, I believed what I had been told and heard, and I spent a lot before adding the extra RAM and HDD's and screen etc.

So many little things problems that I was lead to believe just did not happen, here are just a few;
Every now and then, Ctrl Click and the context menu appears in random parts of the screen,
Windows that freeze and cant be dragged
Windows that appear half off screen, so positioned that you cant get to the top bar and drag them,
Dock not re appearing when mouse moved to bottom of screen, requiring, Finder Force Quit or Machine restart to cure
Machine locks ups, with the message "Press and hold the power key to restart'
No one ever mentioned these bugs when I asked if there were any problems by my friends while I was a Windows/Linux user. Now I have a Mac and know the truth, I am hearing about all the probelms they have...things they never told me before. They all said the Mac OS was f
I was just not expecting to have to deal with OS 'faults'

It feels like they were not prepared to tell a Windows user about the Mac OS bugs and failing, so they could continue to tell me how much better 'their' OS was than Windows. Now I have a Mac they are prepared to tell me all these little things. OK, none of that is Apple's fault, but I had really hoped to be away from all those OS frustrations, that make me so sick of Windows sometimes and feel like taking an axe to the machine in question 😉


Stuff to do with the swap from one OS or app to another I can deal with, that is the interesting part, that is part of the learning process when getting to grips with any new system.

There...had my rant again..feel better now....off to the workshop now to fit the injector pump back on the tractor

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Umm, Interesting change of font at the end there, why the **** did that happen

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Now it has gone, back to all one font. On the first posting, when I viewed the message, font size had changed half way down the text. After first editing it has gone back to all the same

PeterBreis0807 wrote:
Sounds like you should have talked to me first. I'm happy to rattle off the things that don't work or work poorly on the Mac.

But if I did not have the Mac, I would never had been on this forum ...that is the way of life

Mind I can do the same for Windows. 🙂

Same here

Now you have drunk the Cool Aid you can see the The Church of the Holy Macintosh for what it is. There are however many who are blissfully unaware that it is even a church!

Many seem to think it is a religion...and to criticise Mac is worse than blasphemy

That aside you seem to be experiencing problems that shouldn't happen. It maybe a cocktail of things that you are running or installed, but they shouldn't lead to constant lockups or freezes. Not that such things never happen, just that they are very rare.

Nothing out of the ordinary installed, but the thought of doing a clean install to see if it still happens....aaargghhhh I hoped I had left doing a clean install every 6-12 months to keep the thing running was a only a Windows thing....no...no. don't make me do it

Is your Mac still in warranty or under AppleCare? Make it Apple's problem, not yours.

Yes, it arrived March 09, so may take it back, see if they can figure it out. Yes, Full Apple Care paid for. But what is the first thing they are likely to do? Full re install...rather do that myself


Thanks again. Now really must go and do some proper work down the farm.


Neil