Time code breaks.

I recently imported a video to my hard drive using MacTheRipper. I wanted it to be in .mov format so I selected all the .vob files and ran it through MPEG StreamClip and chose "Export to Quicktime" [under the file menu]. This took about 20 hr to do and my end result is footage that "lurches" along (stops & starts every few seconds) and the sound is out of sink with the footage. I then desided to try it again by opening one file at a time, instead of all of them. Every time I open the first .vob file I get a message "Warning: the stream may have timecode breaks". So I ran "fix time code breaks" [under the "Edit" menu]: It says that it has found 11 breaks but they don't seem to get fixed. I keep running the "fix breaks" routine and each time it says there are still 11 breaks. There doesn't appear to be any "breaks" in the other .vob files but the first file seems to be messing up my sound/footage sink in the whole video. Am I missing something here?

My reason for importing to quicktime is to edit some of the video but I think this may be a wast of time if I can't resolve the sound/video sink issue. Any help is appreciated.

I am running a G4 466MHZ, 1Gig RAM, Quicktime Pro 7.0.2 w/MPEG2 plug-in, MPEG Stream Clip 1.3.1, Toast 5 Titanium, MacTheRipper 2.6.6

rokaem@comcast.net

Posted on Sep 29, 2005 7:48 AM

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Sep 29, 2005 1:45 PM in response to Rokaem

Try this:

After fixing timecode breaks, export to MPEG and save it as one continuous file. Open that file in Streamclip and export it to QT. I don't know why you have timecode breaks from within one VOB file- you shouldn't as it is one contiguous MPEG-2 file.

How big a file are you working with? If you are working with multiple VOB's from DVD you don't want to be editing 4-5-6GB at a time anyway.

You might want to do one VOB to QT and edit 11 QT files. If you mean simple cut/trim editing to get small bits from the VOB's why don't you edit in Streamclip? It has in/out and cut and trim just like QT. Then convert smaller clips to QT.

Sep 29, 2005 3:36 PM in response to Ricktoronto

The "ripped" footage has 6 .VOB files totaling 4.59GB. I went back to the original video import and looked for time breaks in each file. The first one has 11 time breaks and there aren't any in the other files. I ran the "repair time breaks" routine on that one file and then tried to play it. It seems to play OK even though I keep getting the same number of breaks reported even though I tried to repair it several times. It looks to me like this file has the "select scene", pick the language, etc. That leads me to a question: Since all I really want to do is play the video, could I delete this one file completely? Or would that make the rest unplayable or out of sink? The other thing I thought was strange is the size of the video after it's been "Converted to Quicktime". It went from 4.5GB as a VOB file to 72GB as a Quicktime file. Is that normal?

Sep 30, 2005 7:11 AM in response to Rokaem

If you are converting VOBs to QT the whole menu thing and such is long gone anyway - they depend on the proper DVD file structure and the IFO and BUP files so you have no ability to use them so there is no danger of losing them.

Size: 4.5GB to 72GB - sounds odd - you must have used a codec like Animation or DV to get that much and with DV it would have to be something like 5 1/2 hours of content.

If you want to just play the video just play the DVD. Really. What is the point of converting it to QT (and in your case a file 15 times bigger than you started) if all you want to do is watch it? You can rip it and open the VIDEO_TS file with the DVD player and watch that.

If you just want the main feature use Mac the Ripper and rip just the main title and skip everything else.

Sep 30, 2005 12:02 PM in response to Ricktoronto

If this were just some off the shelf movie I wouldn't need to do anything with it at all, I would just watch it on my TV. This is a DVD of my family movies that I paid someone to make about a year ago. Some of my family members want a copy and I would like a back-up myself. I contacted the place that made the original and they will reproduce the DVD's at about $20 a pop. But they won't help me figure out how to make the copies myself. Needless to say, I'm ##!!## mad!!!
Anyway, that's why I want to make the copy. I only wanted to make it into a .MOV file so I could delete their advertising garbage at the begining and add some recent footage that is now on iMovie. I would like the chapter selection to work when I'm finished, but that's not vital.
I do need to make this thing work on a TV though, because not all my relatives have a computer.

Sep 30, 2005 1:56 PM in response to Rokaem

OK, buy Toast. Spend the money it will be less frustrating. you can even download it and it is worth every penny.

Open Toast. Video Tab. Advanced options on the left. Select the choice make DVD from VIDEO_TS folder. Drag the folder into the big pane.

Go file make disk image. Name it, leave it on the desktop. Since the video is already rendered it will write a disk image in a jiffy.

When time to make copies: double click on the disk image or drag it to Toast - it will use the copy tab. Put in a blank DVD-R . Press the big red button. Wait. Repeat for other copies. You can verify the first one if you want, it takes a while. If it is OK, then skip it on the rest if you like unless you are watching the hockey game and then let it do its thing each time.

You can even mount the image after it loads in Toast by clicking the mount button and watch the copy of the DVD ,e.g. the image in the DVD player.

Sep 30, 2005 2:01 PM in response to Rokaem

Quit thinking about converting all the time.

Toast will take iMovie project files directly into it and it will do any rendering to MPEG - you don't need to and QT would be the wrong format anyway. Plus you have no software to "reconvert back to VOB". QT won't make MPEG-2 nor do you want to constantly transcode.

Now all that said I am not sure the VIDEO_TS function will allow added media (e.g. a VIDEO_TS fodler then a bunch of random media).

If not you can make a second DVD with the Video tab, DVD Video function. Just add whatever clips you like, QT, iMovie etc., and Toast will convert to MPEG and make a DVD. There is even a media browser in Toast 7 to see all your clips in iMovie etc. Very slick.

I think you could then rip that DVD as well with MTR and put two VIDEO_TS folders on one DVD as long as there is room.

Oct 2, 2005 5:35 PM in response to Ricktoronto

Thanks for the help. I currently have Toast Titanium 5.0.9 and tried to use it as you suggested. I think it might have worked but the file is to big for a normal DVD-r (the original must be double layered and my current burner doesn't support double layer). So, without trying to be a pain, is there a way to split the data onto to two DVD's? I don't know if a newer version of Toast would be able to help do this, or if I could compress to data to make it fit.

I am assuming the file is to big for normal DVD-r because that's the message Toast displays when I try to burn the image. Would a copy protected DVD cause toast to think the file is bigger than it is?

Oct 2, 2005 8:26 PM in response to Rokaem

When you ripped the VIDEO_TS folder to the desktop, control-click on it and get info and see how big it is. It has to be bigger than 4.3GB to be a problem.

Toast 7.0.1 which you should be using will compress a DVD-9 (double layer) to fit a single layer DVD. I doubt it is a double layer original frankly, if it was not pressed in a DVD factory.

When you make the image on the desktop in Toast, how big is the image file?

You cannot split a DVD onto two DVD's as the menu system will go crazy looking for content. Use the compressing function built into Toast 7.

Oct 10, 2005 12:39 PM in response to Ricktoronto

Thanks for your feed back. sorry I have been away for a while so I couldn't post sooner. I will need to upgrade my Toast to version 7 (I have 5.0.9 now). I deleted the "image" that I had imported before looking at the size. Toast 5 couldn't burn the DVD from the image though; it said the fils was to big for the DVD-r disk. I think Toast 7 might be able to compress the file a bit. At least that's what someone told me. As soon a my Toast 7 arrives I'll try again. Thank's again. Rokaem

Oct 31, 2005 8:25 PM in response to Rokaem

Rokaem
You mentioned that you didn't know what size the stuff was because you dumped the ripped image file, yet elsewhere say :

The "ripped" footage has 6 .VOB files totaling 4.59GB.


That sounds like an unlikely figure for a custom DVD-R (up to about 4.2Gig would be more likely)... just stick the DVDR in and get info on it for data/file sizes...

I suggest you look at dvdbackup, dvd2one and similar tools... which rip any DVD to an 'imageable' file, and squeeze 2DVDs worth of data onto one,
b respectively.
(dvd2one & similar will cost you quality - maybe too much with your material).

Toast is a great tool, but there are a lot of other ways to write DVDs

I would counsel that the best approach to your needs is mentioned above/earlier : simply dupe the DVD.

If you want to add /edit material you're getting into authoring - a much more complex area - particularly if you want to avoid transcoding/recoding etc... There are potential 'showstoppers': one example:- The commercial service might/probably have used tools not practically available to you - like hardware multipass variable bitrate (VBR) MPEG2 encoding (which usually gives smaller files and better quality). Most of the simpler faster tools (1 hr vs 30-90hrs) available to you are Constant BitRate (CBR) which normally gives much larger files.

In any event, you definitely want to avoid transcoding/re-encoding the original material - it's a very bad idea. (Simple 'assemble' edits, as suggested by other folks using a tool like mpegstreamclip to simply 'snip bits out' can be done to avoid most transcoding but you're still going to be confronted with an 'Authoring' task. Adding new material is unlikely to be straight forward for you).

My suggestion: simply dupe the DVD. (Fast, & There'll be no loss of quality at all).
If you have additional material, Author another.

Best wishes,

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