Audio Tracks in Timeline

While working in Final Cut Pro 4, some of my audio tracks in the timeline have a thin colored bar running along the entire top of the clip. Some clips have a lavender/light purple bar, some have a green bar, some have no bar at all. Some clips have a lavendar bar, which then changes to green.

What do these bars mean?! Nowhere in any of the Final Cut Pro manuals or in a third party book I own can I find even a mention of these color bars. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Posted on Sep 28, 2005 1:26 PM

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Sep 28, 2005 1:49 PM in response to Scaggnetti

It's the audio track itself that has the colored line. The colored line runs along the very top of the audio clip itself within the timeline. (Actually, to be more specific, the colored line runs across the top of each of the audio tracks in any given stereo audio clip that occupies two tracks of audio.)

Like I said, not all of the clips in the same audio track have the line, just some of them. Most of them are purple, but some clips have a purpline line that changes to a green line.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Sep 28, 2005 2:08 PM in response to Bill Ryan2

These are render bars, keyframe bars or filter bars. You can selecto have them displayed or not.
They are all, in fact, clearly explained in the manuals. You just do not know where to look (which means you haven't done the tutorials but I'm sure you'll get around to them). Check out the descriptions of the timeline layouts and timeline display controls.

Since they turn green, I assume they are render bars. This indicates the audio format you have chosen for your sequence does not match the audio format of the tracks. There can be subtle differences in frame rates and sampling rates that cause FCP to process the audio in realtime, that's why they're green.

Control click on one of the tracks and choose render, see what happens.
Post back but check the manual and online help systems first for a better explanation of what they mean. You will find there are way too many different bars and they come in way too many colors and the colors will change depending on your system prefs, user prefs, sequence settings, how many tracks you start to add and your CPU power. .

bogiesan

Sep 28, 2005 2:43 PM in response to David Bogie Chq-1

Thanks for responding, but I don't think what you've decribed is the case here...

They are not render bars. Render bars appear at the top of the TIMELINE itself, not at the top of the clip itself. They are not keyframe or filter bars, either, as I have clip keyframes turned off in the sequence settings.

Furthermore, if it was a case of some of the settings within certain clips being inconsistent with the settings of my sequence, it doesn't explain why the bar changes colors WITHIN AN INDIVIDUAL clip! The bar is light purple along the top of the audio portion of the clip, and then it turns to green for the remainder of it.

Anyway, I appreciate your response, but I have checked out the descriptions of the timeline layouts and timeline display controls. I have gone through the manuals and my Final Cut Pro bible in depth. And I can find no mention of any colored bars at the top of the audio tracks within clips in a timeline!

If you have any other explanation for what these color bars within the audio tracks are, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks!

Sep 28, 2005 2:47 PM in response to Scaggnetti

Thanks very much for responding, Michael. I thought it might be duplicated frames as well, but as far as I can tell, duplicated frame bars appear at the BOTTOM of the VIDEO track potion of the clip in question.

My bars appear at the top of the audio tracks of the clips within the timeline.

In any case, these sequences I'm working on are fairly small, and I'm certain there are no duplicated frames. And even when I turn the "show duplicate frames" feature off, the bars still appear.

Any other possible explanations?

Thanks so much!

Sep 28, 2005 3:12 PM in response to Scaggnetti

You're providing us with information now that would have come in handy earlier, saved us much time telling you stuff you already knew or have tried.

I see a pale blue bar at the top of speed-adjusted audio clips. So it's possible to get colored bars on clips in the timeline. We've been trying all kinds of filters and other stuff to try to get other colors but no dice.

You could post a picture somewhere, that would certainly help since what you're describing is what we've been trying to solve and what you're describing isn't what we see in our heads.

Forget trashing the prefs, I'd say you're looking at a new Macintosh, yep. (joke)

bogiesan

Sep 28, 2005 7:34 PM in response to David Bogie Chq-1

Thanks again for your time and trying to help. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough in beginning...it certainly was unintentional and I had no intention of wasting anyone's time.

Anyway, I also posted my dilmma on the LA Final Cut Pro User Group ( http://www.lafcpug.org/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=97563&t=97561#reply_97563), and a guy came back with a response that pretty much explains the situation.

The bottom line is that if an audio clip has a different sample rate than the sequence, it will show up with a colored bar at the top of the audio clip. (The one thing that is not clear, however, is why the colored bar is sometimes purple, sometimes green, even in the same clip.)

Sure enough, some of my DV audio that originated from a older Canon XL1 had a bizarre sample rate of 48009.3 Hz. (Video caputred from the same camera also drifts out of synch if captured in blocks larger than 30 minutes. I'm guessing the problems are related.)

Here's a link to the guy's website with information on the issue and how to fix it:

http://www.rippletraining.com/engine/index.php?action=docs&doc=410

Anyway, hope this information is useful.

Thanks again for trying to help me, and again, apologies for any unintentional obfuscation on my part.

Regards,

Bill

Sep 29, 2005 7:50 AM in response to Bill Ryan2

Wasting time is a bit of a problem around here. Patience is another. If you choose to stick around, you'll see how it works. Without adequate information and background, we all spin our wheels.

You: > Sure enough, some of my DV audio that originated from a older Canon XL1 had a bizarre sample rate of 48009.3 Hz. (Video caputred from the same camera also drifts out of synch if captured in blocks larger than 30 minutes. I'm guessing the problems are related.) <

Ripple: > Have you ever wondered what those green bars running along the top of your audio clips indicate? In a nutshell, Final Cut Pro is telling you that the audio sample rate for the clip does not match the sequence audio sample rate. There could be any number of causes for this, but the most frequent cause is editing audio imported from a CD (at 44.1 kHz) into a timeline that is setup for DV editing (at 48 kHz). You may be tempted to think, Òwell, my audio sounds fine, why should I care?Ó The answer to that question has to do with CPU overhead. Whenever Final Cut Pro encounters an audio clip that does not conform to the sequence standard, it must up-convert the audio on-the-fly while playing it back.<

Me: > There can be subtle differences in frame rates and sampling rates that cause FCP to process the audio in realtime, that's why they're green. <

I was right. Sort of. But who cares and who's keeping score?
Sometimes I do.

bogiesan

Oct 2, 2005 8:34 PM in response to Bill Ryan2

Cool. Scoring noted. Thanks again for all the help. I'm glad I know the reason, but I still would love to know the difference betwen the green bar and the purple bar, and why sometimes the same clip will have a green bar for half the clip, and then it's purple for the rest of it. If you have any thoughts on that, please let me know. < </div>

Ah, and a sense of humor, too. Not many of us left.

Your sig indicates you own a G5 Powerbook. Skunkwork project from Cupertino's underground vault? Running FCP on an experimental machine that none of the rest of have access to is and then asking us for help is, umm, cheating, doncha think? Hope we get to see this mystery PB someday.

bogiesan

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