Logic 8 and Snow Leopard

Personally, I would never do any form of upgrade, minor OS/Program update or total OS upgrade in the middle of a project as you can never be sure of what to expect. While the majority of people may find it all works hunkydory, if you are in the middle of something you can almost guarentee it will not work for you.

Having said that, if you have done it and it is on your main system (With no other backup), I'd make sure it works and if it does, see how it flies.

However if you have a backup, I'd revert to it and then install SL on a separate partition to see if there are any system crashing kinks you need to be aware of (Like incompatible plug-ins, driver issues with audio cards, etc, etc).

Hi, I've had instances where Liquid Mix Mono did pass AU val but not Liquid Mix Stereo. Whether that is the case for Focusrite being sloppy in one and not the other or not I am not 100% sure, but something definitely changed in the audio engine on Snow and it's likely going to affect things for vendors who might have cut corners.

I can tell you that at this point I only have 2 vendors that are thorns in my side:

1- Liquid Mix
2- Altiverb... those goofballs have an installer that requires Rosetta to install. I emailed them yesterday wondering when their installer (which is downloaded from the web by the way) will not require Rosetta and their answer was: "About Rosetta, we've got loads of DVDs with installers on them; it would be extremely bad for the environment to just chuck them in the bin and make new
ones. We'll just use them up and until then, our installer will require Rosetta, which is a very quick install for a user."

I wasn't aware that the internet was bad for the environment too. It's a bad answer, and I won't install Rosetta period. I think vendors have had well over a couple of years to bring their installers to date, and to not have one today is not an excuse. The support person's answer is simply stupid and uneducated.

The rest is great. even though Apogee says compatible drivers for Symphony will be out next week, the ones that are there now run like champs. MC Control/Mix from Euphonix work fine with the 2.0.3 build they released last week. No issues from anyone else. Logic runs MUCH faster and it's a total pleasure to run this puppy.

R

Band On The Run wrote:
2- Altiverb... those goofballs have an installer that requires Rosetta to install. I emailed them yesterday wondering when their installer (which is downloaded from the web by the way) will not require Rosetta and their answer was: "About Rosetta, we've got loads of DVDs with installers on them; it would be extremely bad for the environment to just chuck them in the bin and make new
ones. We'll just use them up and until then, our installer will require Rosetta, which is a very quick install for a user."

I wasn't aware that the internet was bad for the environment too.

Well, news then: it is. Most electricity still comes from fossil fuels or nuclear power, and to my latest knowledge electricity still powers the internet. So...
But, even if the internet was purely solar powered, chucking away DVD's just because the installer is a few seconds slower, is environmentally questionable. I think they are quite right.

Eriksimon, I respect most of your posts, but I think on this one you didn't read what I said. I never said they should dump their DVDs. The installer in question is downloadable. I don't see a reason why providing a downloadable installer that works without the use of Rosetta is an issue for the environment, especially since all Altiverb updaters come as a download and not off of the DVD. I never get a DVD whenever I need an update from AudioEase, and the installer is simply years out of date. If the downloadable version of the installer is not a universal binary, then any new DVD being produced will not be either.

I think my concern is valid, and I think this is a case of a developer slacking.

Thanks
R

Band On The Run wrote:
Eriksimon, I respect most of your posts, but I think on this one you didn't read what I said. I never said they should dump their DVDs. The installer in question is downloadable. I don't see a reason why providing a downloadable installer that works without the use of Rosetta is an issue for the environment, especially since all Altiverb updaters come as a download and not off of the DVD. I never get a DVD whenever I need an update from AudioEase, and the installer is simply years out of date. If the downloadable version of the installer is not a universal binary, then any new DVD being produced will not be either.

I think my concern is valid, and I think this is a case of a developer slacking.

Thanks
R

Yep, you're right, I didn't get the downloadable bit. My bad.

Hey guys -- I noticed the mention of Altiverb, which I use on everything -- and I have my Snow Leopard package sitting here waiting to be installed. Are you saying that Altiverb won't run under snow leopard? I'm not familiar with Rosetta Stone... but I'm terrified about installing 10.6 because I fear it'll screw up everything in Logic, won't authorize plugins, etc.

Will Altiverb continue to work in 10.6?

Rosetta Stone? Rosetta is a code interpreter for legacy Power PC code to run under Intel machines. Rosetta Stone is the language stuff that teaches you how to speak languages.

I use Altiverb on quite a bit of my work. What I'm telling you right now is don't install Snow Leopard if you have projects going and you earn your daily bread from music. It's not that Altiverb won't run, it's that:

1- It has not been stable, causing Logic 8 and 9 to crash under Snow Leopard.
2- Their updater installer uses old Power PC legacy code, and hence will require Snow Leopard to install Rosetta which is not done by default for very good reasons. it doesn't affect the system's performance, but if you have other apps which are not corrected and up to date, they will run without your knowing, transparently, and you won't get an opportunity to be able to tell your vendor that they need to compile and port their code to universal binaries.
3- I have noticed sound drop outs when using Altiverb in Logic 9 under Snow Leopard.

The support guy, besides the lame DVD answer he gave me, said that they JUST got their copy of Snow Leopard along with everyone else, and that they need a bit to test out their stuff on it and fix it. WHY they don't just get a $500.00 ADC account and download advanced beta copies is beyond me. I'm finding Audio Ease to be incredibly irresponsible/irresponsive with their updates. If it was a case where all vendors are having trouble (like with the big switch to universal binaries) I would have no issue, but of all the vendors I use, and there are quite a few, Audio Ease seems to be a real slacker here.

I can understand the likes of Pro Tools trailing behind a bit, their stuff deals with the kernel directly, and yet they're already in beta. Same with Apogee.

This is just very disappointing from a company like Audio Ease.

R

I see. Thanks for the heads-up on that... I'm gonna hold off on installing 10.6 then, because I can't work without Altiverb. And that aside, I'll probably feel better about installing it once the first software update is made available that will correct the initial bugs.

Thanks for the info!

Kirby

For what it's worth Focusrite contacted me and let me know they were able to reproduce my bug in Liquid Mix, and they're working on it. IF you have liquid mix and want to keep an eye on betas that contain fixes you can watch beta.focusrite.com they have an RSS feed there. I suspect the fix is coming soon, they're always on top of it.

Also, version 2.0.3 of the EuCon software from Euphonix for the MC Control/Mix works great under snow leopard. I have an inquiry to see if that is the version they're going to support, but they haven't gotten back to me yet. I'm wondering if they're working on 64bit drivers since they have a control panel and currently launching it requires switching system preferences to 32bit (which Snowy does automatically).

Still nothing from Altiverb, but my workaround was to install it in 10.5.8 and just import the settings manually over to snow leopard... no rosetta install :P

R

Just to add to this, Native Instruments have just got back to me confirming crash issues with Massive under Snow Leopard.

They're working on a fix for a future update.

I have a crash when I exit from Logic

I had the same problem with the Liquid mix whereby the mono was validated but the stereo was not. The solution was very straight forward. You need to be in Logic then goto preferences/audio units manager then manually click the relevant check box in the list and it should simply validate it from there. Make sure the LM is hooked up!!

Interesting, the Focusrite folks confirmed my bug (finally) and said they're working on a solution, and to keep an eye on their beta page. But if your little trick below works, that is going to totally rock because it's the only piece not up and running at this point.

I'll see what happens and happily report back.

R