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What is "wheel" security permission? What happens if you reset "everyone"?

What happens if you remove "wheel" permission to the programmes that had it? Why do some programmes dowloaded from the Download page have security settings that you cannot change permissions? It seems these are unsafe to use then if downloaded this way from a "free" source, if you cannot set yourself as having admin permissions right?
What happens if you set permissions so that you can read & write, but "everyone" is "no access"?
What if you change "system" to read only?

Mac Mini, Mac OS X (10.5.8)

Posted on Oct 25, 2009 1:07 PM

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Posted on Oct 25, 2009 2:11 PM

Thanks for a bit of insight. I was trying to say --- When you go to "Get Info" in an app....it says "Sharing and Permissions"...that is where I saw "wheel" and "staff" and "everyone" and admin. I still don't know what "wheeL" is and why would not the owner of a computer, or software not be a part of this "wheel"??
It seems that if you download anything from internet, especially "freeware" or "shareware", there is risk of "spyware" or someone getting permissions to share what you don't want to. Is this not correct?? Also some of the programmes, even from manufacturers have spyware on it..... or to track you or something.
Many of these after all, come from other countries, or individuals.
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Oct 25, 2009 2:11 PM in response to Kappy

Thanks for a bit of insight. I was trying to say --- When you go to "Get Info" in an app....it says "Sharing and Permissions"...that is where I saw "wheel" and "staff" and "everyone" and admin. I still don't know what "wheeL" is and why would not the owner of a computer, or software not be a part of this "wheel"??
It seems that if you download anything from internet, especially "freeware" or "shareware", there is risk of "spyware" or someone getting permissions to share what you don't want to. Is this not correct?? Also some of the programmes, even from manufacturers have spyware on it..... or to track you or something.
Many of these after all, come from other countries, or individuals.
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Oct 25, 2009 1:47 PM in response to cheetahsongs

"Wheel" is a special type of group (it's not a permission.) It is a Unix group specifically intended for only those users who have rights to su as root.

You should not make any changes to pre-existing users and groups or their respective privileges. Removing or altering the "wheel" group may lead to system malfunctions and your inability as an admin user to obtain temporary root status using sudo.

It's apparent that you do not know what you are doing hence the reason for you're asking, so my suggestion is that you do not change anything until you know exactly the consequences of doing so. In particular you should never make any changes inside the /System/Library/ folder, and you should be extremely careful about any changes in the /Library/ folder. In general stay away from all the system folders unless you know what you are doing. Also, do not move, rename, or delete any system folders.

To learn more about the insides of OS X I suggest buying some books on Unix and Unix in OS X.
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Oct 25, 2009 2:47 PM in response to cheetahsongs

All admin users are part of the wheel group, so if you're an admin user you belong to the group. However, the wheel group is not necessarily a group to which all files/folders belong. There are specific system files and folders that have wheel's group privileges. That means if you are in the wheel group then you have the privileges of that group assigned to the file or folder. That file or folder is in effect accessible to all who belong to the wheel group.

The only way a downloaded file would obtain wheel rights is if you downloaded it into a folder that already belonged to the wheel group. If that be the case then you are downloading into a system folder which is not what you should do. Downloads should go to the default folder which is the /Home/Downloads/ folder. That folder is owned by you and has read/write privileges. There is no group membership, and Everyone has No Access.

I'm not sure why you believe that commercial software developers put spyware in their programs to track you. That's a bit paranoid. But, if you believe that's true then why are you downloading anything? In fact, why are you even on the Internet which is riskier than downloading software? Downloading a program doesn't mean it comes with any permissions. All files on your computer get permissions from the user and/or the folders into which the files are placed. Otherwise the software comes with an installer and the permissions are then determined by the installer. The permissions assigned by the installer are usually determined by where things are stored on the computer and the default permissions in those locations.

Again, I suggest you buy a book or two so you can become better educated about the whole area of file permissions. Or do a Google search on the subject.
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Oct 25, 2009 4:21 PM in response to cheetahsongs

I thought Linux (which Mac is based on???)

Mac OS X is based on the Carnege Mellon University MACH micro-kernel with the FreeBSD Unix system APIs and most of the FreeBSD commands and utilities. Add in a mix of other Open Source Unix projects to round out the mix.

So not exactly Linux. But it is safe to say that the Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OS X (the Unix side), Solaris, HP-UX, AIX all leave a similar taste in your mouth 🙂
offered a lot of Free downloads to enhance the confusing, yet enthralling Experience of Not being a PC user...hahhah... Yeah a Big Wheel.... ..

On the Unix side of Mac OS X, there are tons of Open Source projects that may be installed. The easiest way to get these are via
<http://www.macports.org/>
<http://www.finkproject.org/>

And on the Mac OS X GUI side there are a ton as well.
<http://www.VersionTracker.com/macosx/>
<http://www.MacUpdate.com/>
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Oct 25, 2009 3:47 PM in response to Kappy

ok...thanks for explaining about the Wheel...
I just lost tons of my stuff due to trusting so-called PC updates, etc.... some which Ruined my DVD recording capabilities and put a block on years of work, which did so to Others as well!
Unfortunately when one downloads a program from the apple recommended site even, you cannot really tell what's going on with the permissions until After you download them.
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Oct 25, 2009 5:45 PM in response to cheetahsongs

I forgot to ask too...why does "staff" or "everyone" appear in the Sharing & Permissions on some apps? and does it hurt to just make "everyone" a "no access", if you keep permissions for admin?

Do not do that, otherwise, you will be back here asking why your Mac stopped working.

Many files are owned by root, and you get your execute and read access via "everyone".

Really, as has been mentioned before. You are better off leaving the permissions set as they are.

If you wish to change the permissions on 1 or 2 files, and you have a valid reason for doing that, then have fun (keep notes, and be ready to restore the original permissions if it doesn't work as expected).

However, making global permission changes generally results in the user performing an Archive & Install, or a "Nuke and Pave" (1).

(1)Nuke and Pave" - erase disk and install everything from scratch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuke andpave>
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Oct 25, 2009 3:40 PM in response to BobHarris

Thank you for the bit of humour Bob! I needed that. For starters, after using a regular PC for years... one would know why I'd ask these questions.... Especially every time there was an "update".....
Always some crap getting into every program, and there were some pretty big lawsuits about the spyware...in bought programs. Microsoft was the most paranoid...tracking everyone ...even us legitimate users. Don't get me started......
I thought Linux (which Mac is based on???) offered a lot of Free downloads to enhance the confusing, yet enthralling Experience of Not being a PC user...hahhah... Yeah a Big Wheel.... ..
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Oct 25, 2009 4:57 PM in response to BobHarris

Cheers, Bob. That's a hefty bit of tech info there! I tried to learn Linux once...when they came out with the Xandros project that was supposed to work on windows......... ayeeeee.

I forgot to ask too...why does "staff" or "everyone" appear in the Sharing & Permissions on some apps? and does it hurt to just make "everyone" a "no access", if you keep permissions for admin?

Similar things came up on Vista when we tried it...,,,,, it was very very intrusive and just horrid all round.........giving permissions to the "creator", (created in china)...., which was not the same as the "owner" who bought the computer!
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