5.1 Surround Sound On A Mac: How To Connect

Hi, Everyone!

I have a set of Logitech 5.1 Surround Sound speakers. It has three 3.5mm minijack inputs: One for the 2 front speakers, One for the 2 back, and One for the Center Channel and Subwoofer.

My Mac has one (copied from Specs sheet:) Combined optical digital audio output/audio line out (minijack).

What I need is a way to connect the two together.

Do I need a USB/FireWire sound card?
If so, what should I use?

Can I use an adapter?
If so, what can I use?

I've done a bit of searching, and I've found things mentioning S/PDIF.
How does this play in?

Thanks in advance for any help, and for putting up with my stupefying ignorance.
-Nate

MacBook 2.4 ghz 4gb ram, Mac OS X (10.6.1), MacBook: June 2008, 2.4ghz Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM. iPod Nano 3G. AirPort Extreme 20

Posted on Oct 27, 2009 12:04 PM

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Oct 27, 2009 1:17 PM in response to Dave Stowe

Thanks for the reply!

I was looking at that product. I've got a few questions:

Does it rely on software to simulate 5.1, or is it true 5.1 sound?
If you play a DVD, is it surround sound? How about a movie from the iTunes store?
Does it come with any software? I'd rather avoid extra startup items…
Do you know why they discontinued this product?
Does it use FW400 or 800?
Does it have a volume control? Is it just a master or individual based on channel/cable?
Does it reduce sound quality at all?

Thanks again!

Anyone use something else?

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Oct 27, 2009 1:28 PM in response to nate12345

There is a cd that comes with it and I installed that software at first but stopped using it as OS X handles 5.1 sound....use your Audio MIDI Setup utility to configure your speakers

If the sound source is recorded in 5.1 then it is played back in 5.1

AS I mentioned I don't use the software and I don't believe it has been updated for a while now

My understanding was just not enough sales to continue produceing it

It is FireWire 400

No volume control on the device....use either the Mac's and/or the speaker's

Not that I can tell

and it has 1 additional FireWire 400 port on the back so you do not lose the use of the one on the MacBook

http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/firewave

Oct 27, 2009 3:45 PM in response to Dave Stowe

Oh, wow!

Thank you so much for clearing that up!
I really appreciate you double-checking that for me.
I see on the Griffin Website that the product is listed as compatible with 10.4 and 10.5. The software, however, is listed for 10.4-10.6. That seems a bit odd, but oh, well.

All right then.

So, this question is still open.

If anyone knows a 10.6-compatible way to get surround sound out of a Mac, let me know!

Oct 27, 2009 4:24 PM in response to nate12345

For playing back movies with DTS / Dolby Digital tracks you could do that with your Macs integrated digital audio output.

However since your speakers don't have a digital input you would have to buy an extra external decoder.

For example the Creative Decoder DDTS-100.
It has 3 optical digital inputs, and 1 coaxial. On top of these it features 3 stereo RCA inputs.

Oct 27, 2009 4:38 PM in response to Hachre

Thanks for the reply!

So, two things:
A) That looks REALLY expensive, besides, I can't find it for sale anywhere.
B) Is it really necesary to get something that advanced? I only really need one input. Two or three wouldn't hurt, but I definately don't need 7.

So, I guess my main questions are:

-Are you sure this will work? Will I really get 5.1 out of just the little 3.5mm jack on my Mac?
Does it have the 3- 3.5mm outputs?

-How much does it cost? (And where do I get it?)

-What are they called in general? What other brands make them? (Just so I can comparison shop).

-You just mentioned movies. Will this work if I have music or other audio encoded in 5.1?
How about DVDs, etc?

Thanks again!

Does anyone else use a different setup?
-Nate

Oct 27, 2009 5:02 PM in response to nate12345

It will only work with DTS or Dolby Digital encoded material because only that kind of material can be transferred directly through your digital output.

If the 6 audio channels are created on your computer, or are not encoded in DTS or Dolby Digital it won't work with this solution.

The term is something by the lines of "digital audio decoder". Most HiFi receivers have something like that built in, however buying a Receiver is a bit of an overkill for your set up probably. The problem is that standalone decoders are very rare. The Creative DDTS-100 is one exception but I think even this has been discontinued.

You might get one on eBay though, it shouldn't be more than $150. On the other hand you can probably get a low end HiFi Receiver for almost that already.

Sadly it doesn't matter that all you need is one input. The market for these devices is tiny. 😟

You will need adapter cables to hook it up. In your specific case what you would need is a cable with the optical mini plug at one end (computer end) and the Toslink optical plug (DDTS-100) on the other end. You would need this same cable for almost all other devices too, all HiFi Receivers also use the Toslink plug.

One thing here might not work, I can't answer that without knowing your speakers a little bit better. They probably accept 3 mini plugs as inputs right? 1 for front left/right, 1 for surround left/right and one for center/lfe. If you play music with all cables except the front left/right unplugged, do you still hear any bass? If you do it will work. If you don't then your computer and not the speakers are doing the bass management which nothing in my set up would do, so it won't work (well it will, but the bass will be missing).

Oct 28, 2009 7:39 AM in response to Hachre

OK, so when you say, DTS or Dolby Digital:
Do you mean anything in 5.1?
So, that includes DVDs and what else?

It really isnt' worth it to me to spend over $150 on this stuff.

My speakers (Logitech X-540) do have 3- 3.5mm inputs. I do hear bass out all of them if I only use the one plug; that is what I've been doing.
When doing this, I not only do I hear base, but I also hear the center, and rear speakers. That is because the speakers have something called 'Matrix Mode' which attempts to simulate 5.1. Sound comes out all the speakers, and it judges where sound should come out based on the stereo balance. (Just a guess, really, but I don't see what else it could do. This is what it seems to be doing.)

I think (I haven't checked, but I'm almost sure) that the speakers do the bass managment.

So, I'm still a little unclear:

-The only way to get 5.1 surround sound out of my Mac is to use either and adapter and a reciever, or a decoder.

Is that true?

Can I buy an exteral sound card?
The ones I found were for PC only.

Is there any way to get 5.1 out of my Mac without spending $200 on extra equipment?
The speakers themselves only cost about $80, so you can see why I'm reluctant.

Thanks again for all your help!

I'm still open to suggestions.
Does anyone do something else?

This seems like it should be a lot easier than all this…
-Nate

Oct 28, 2009 8:15 AM in response to nate12345

It includes DVDs but not the new sound formats on BluRays for example. On the other side, you can't play back those on a Mac anyway. It only applies to encoded DD / DTS streams.

It does not apply to 5.1 sound generated on your computer that is not encoded because in that case you would need to have 6 analog outputs.

Logitech also sells a more expensive speaker set for $399 that includes the decoder and all that stuff. You have analog only speakers so hooking them up to digital sources naturally requires more equipment.

Your statement about what you need is a bit wrong still:
You always need the adapter, but you can either go with a pure Decoder or a Receiver (which is a Decoder + Amplifier + Radio + other features in one device)

You said it should be a lot easier. The problem is that those Logitech Speaker sets are meant for devices with 6 analog outputs. PCs have those (not Laptops). Since you only have 2 analog outputs on your Mac, the only way to get any kind of 5.1 sound is by using the digital output which is capable of passing 5.1 Dolby Digital or 5.1 DTS encoded audio. If you are passing non-encoded audio it also can only pass 2 channels like the analog output.

More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spdif



You have two options here:
-use the internal soundcard which offers digital output via SPDIF for encoded Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1 streams to get out of the computer, go into a decoder (either standlone or in a Receiver) to get that decoded to 6 analog outputs, go into the speakers to play it back
-buy a new external soundcard as has been mentioned here before that has 6 analog outputs and is fully Mac OS compatible to get out of the computer, go into the speakers to play it back

The complicated part in my suggestion is just that you need to go to your speakers digitally, but they don't offer any digital inputs. The 'normal' and easy way would be to go to your speakers the analog route with 6 seperate channels but your Mac doesn't offer outputs for 6 analog channels out of the box.

Is it more clear now?

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