Desktop Publishing Software Recommendations Needed

I am writing a book. It's about 300 pages and I'm using Pages. It looks pretty nice in pages, but Pages is not desktop publishing software. It can be awkward when trying to change the objects or backgrounds in numerous sections (not as awkward as Word though). It also doesn't create an index.

I can't afford $500 to $1000 for one of the name brands.

Please recommend some DTP software that might be useful in creating a book that I've written in Pages. I'm looking for something that might make my workflow more efficient.

Thank you.

iMac Intel, Mac OS X (10.6.2), Pages 09

Posted on Nov 18, 2009 11:38 AM

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Nov 18, 2009 12:54 PM in response to Scott Grabinger

Hi Scott

Have a look here:

http://www.freeforum101.com/iworktipsntrick/viewtopic.php?t=137&mforum=iworktips ntrick

*Swift Publisher* has real master Pages but doesn't automatically make facing pages, something I find odd. Belight Software tells me it will be in the next version. You can get around that by creating left and right masters.

iCalamus has a lot of the higher end features but the price takes a hike, the trial mode is extremely annoying (something the Germans excel at) and it looks slightly rough around the edges.

Really this is a case of what you pay for. Unless you have Indesign or QuarkXpress you will be stuck with OSX's problematic colorsync filter output. I would not want to be going to commercial color printing with anything less than the big two.

You do realise that, unless you are self publishing, a book usually gets handed over to a graphic designer who will make a professional job of it. Authors are rarely designers as well.

Peter

Nov 18, 2009 3:20 PM in response to Scott Grabinger

Please recommend some DTP software that might be useful in creating a book that I've written in Pages. I'm looking for something that might make my workflow more efficient.




These days it would also help to know the method of publication you plan to target — hardcopy books, digital media (e.g., PDF, ePUB, MOBI, AZW, HTML, RTF, DOC, TXT, etc. readers), optical media, etc. or some combination of these and/or other possibilities from a single source documents directly or indirectly to your final distribution medium. Also, is layout at the top of your list of features or can you get along with in-line content if output flexibility is of primary importance? As Peter pointed out, the real question is whether you are self publishing or not and, if so, your specific requirements and preferences for both authoring and publishing your content in a desirable end format or combination of formats.



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Nov 18, 2009 3:49 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Thanks Peter

My output will be both pdf and print from an online/self publishing site such as lulu.com. (I haven't made a final choice, they all have different options. lulu doesn't use pdfs created by Pages so I'd have to work around that.)

I do have graphic design experience, which is probably why I'm not completely satisfied with the results from Pages.

Nov 18, 2009 3:58 PM in response to Jon Walker

Thanks Jon.

I plan on self-publishing with a site such as lulu.com (see response to Peter).

My output would be pdf for both digital and print files. So, if I later find a publisher later, I'll deal with the problem of additional file types and color consistency then.

I have a lot of color pictures in the book. However, one of the disadvantages of using a self-publish site is that a color printout is very expensive, so I have to make sure that my color pics are of a type that look good in b/w.

Layout is at the top of my feature list -- I love to be able to control my own design features. I'm no master, but I know enough to be dangerous. 🙂 Creating an index is right up near the top also.

Nov 18, 2009 4:14 PM in response to Scott Grabinger

Scott

We could be in the same boat, except I have all the professional tools.

We at least agree about Pages. Apple applied much more than just lipstick to this sow! Most buyers think they have scored a date with Jennifer Aniston, until they take Pages home and the wraps come off. 🙂

The problem you face is OSX's unusable .pdf output. You are forced to avoid anything with transparency, shadows or reflections or overlapping those objects because it will all get rendered at 72dpi.

Only Adobe Indesign and QuarkXpress bypass Apple's efforts at making your final job a disaster.

lulu.com and blurb.com are finally allowing you to submit .pdfs not just bitmaps as .jpegs but given OSX's bad .pdfs this is a pyrrhic victory. lulu.com is not warning against Pages specifically.

Apple has put us in this position and given their track record against their loyal creative user base, I honestly don't hold any hope for the future.

Peter

Nov 19, 2009 9:23 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

I once spent a few days trying to move the Pages file to Word. But dealing with graphics and pictures in word is like engaging in self-flagellation.

Anyway, I've been checking out the sites and software you all have recommended. I also found another: Ready,Set,Go. I asked about the kinds of pdf files it generates and the reply was that it uses Apples pdf generator, so that's not much help.

Fundamentally I like Pages and maybe I don't understand what it takes to design software, but it seems like adding an index generator, standard pdf file options, and high quality pdf should call on work already done elsewhere -- in other words, not an impossibility. Especially since design and graphics are supposed to be a selling point for Macs.

Nov 19, 2009 11:54 AM in response to Scott Grabinger

Ready,Set,Go! was in the list.

It was a very old application originally owned by Letraset (anyone remember them?).

Some sentimental person has revived it for OSX.

Most of the things that are wrong in Pages and OSX are just very bad choices which reveal an unfortunate mindset in Apple. It is very clear just how out of touch, or disinterested, they are with their original creative client base. Either that or there is some back room agreement with Adobe, that Apple cripples its software so as not to encroach on the Pro application market.

Whatever it is, Apple has made victims out of all the users who bought into iWork based on Apple's sales pitch only to trip Apple's booby traps one by one.

The US$99 doesn't look so cheap once you have gone through a few print disasters.

Unfortunately they have also dragged down all the other software developers using OSX's quartz filters.

Peter

Nov 19, 2009 11:59 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Yeah, I do remember Letraset. I'm old.

What really made me feel old . . . I've returned from 2-1/2 months in Arezzo, Italy, the topic of my book. Arezzo has a Telecommunications museum. Fascinating with antique radios, film projectors, radios etc.

One display of antiques dealt with computers and cell phones. There was a cell phone the size of a brick and . . . drum roll . . . a Commodore and the first iMac!

Maybe antiques are younger than they used to be.

Nov 19, 2009 12:45 PM in response to Jon Walker

These days it would also help to know the method of publication you plan to target — hardcopy books, digital media


Apple still saves Adobe PDF 1.3. With this version of the document description model, Apple is limited to the standard rendering specification ISO 15930 PDF/X-3 which deals with management of colour information, but not with management of character information (semantic information and structure information). ISO 19005-1:2005 PDF/A is a standard rendering specification based on PDF 1.4 as well for management of colour information as for management of character information (structure information and semantic information).

In other words, the support for management of colour information is there but is truly tough to use and support for management of character information is not there at all.

It is incorrect that QuarkXPress is usable for computerised full character cataloguing with PDF. Quark management mailed the technical press (me and a chief editor) that support for searchable PDF was not intended in version 7.

Adobe had no software whatsoever that supported structure information and semantic information in 2002; that has come trickle by trickle and if e.g. in Adobe InDesign CS (ID39 a searchable PDF is placed in an InDesign page and re-exported, the nested PDF is not searchable.

Henrik

Nov 20, 2009 10:57 AM in response to Marc Dubresson

Marc,

Pardon me, you probably know this.

Obviously not every word. In MS Word, you insert a command next to the word that you want to be in the dictionary. Word processes it and compiles identical selections. So, since my book is about Arezzo, indexing every use of the word --- well you get the picture.

As it is now, I will have to go through my final version and had select and manually enter the page number in the index. Of course, God help me if I make any changes after that -- almost every word in the index will have to be manually changed.

Long way of saying that I want the process automated.

Nov 20, 2009 11:03 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

--- this is in no way related to the orginal question, just a little conversation between Peter and me ---


Asciugabiancheria or asciugare. That poor woman. LOL.

The lavenderia is an automated wonder. You go in, stuff a machine full, close the door, slide in the coins (€4 to €6) and the machine does the rest, adding soap, fabric softener, and something else automatically. If you don't want fabric softener -- tough luck. But it must cut down on maintenance issues.

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