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Considering buying 128GB PATA SSD for 12" PowerBook G4

Yeah why not. I rather do that for the time being I know Apple is about to introduce New MacBook Pros with Intel "Arrandale" Quad Processors. I still like the Powerbook G4 it may be a little slow but it is stable in processing. I never had a crash. I like to see this go max on storage speed. We all seen the MacBook Air with SSD, but would it be nice to see the PowerBook G4 with SSD. This 12-inch PowerBook G4 with 128GB SSD will be my Apple version of the Net-book.

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12-inch PowerBook G4 (1.5GHz) 80GB 8X SuperDrive, Mac OS X (10.5.8), Two 2TB WD Studio External HD [2TB (iTunes) 2TB (Time Machine)]

Posted on Dec 23, 2009 7:59 PM

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Apr 14, 2011 7:22 PM in response to Patrick Symes

Patrick: in general I think it's great advice (for those who use firefox there are detailed instruction for its cache e.g. on the ocz website) but in reality, I wish I could put 6GB of RAM, but I can't. With 1.25, I barely have enough without the ram disk. When I kept reading and saw how his program sets aside 1GB RAM.... well you get the picture.

This advice is good for the desktop g5 with maxed out RAM 🙂

Apr 26, 2011 12:33 AM in response to romko23

I've had no problems so far, all running nice and fast. This drive/ adapter combo should work in any notebook 44 pin IDE/pata system. I plugged it into a dell latitude d610 to do the dos based firmware upgrade and even than worked fine without any issues. It's a bit of work to swap the drive as you can see on the ifixit site but if you're up for it well worth it. For the price a brilliant upgrade considering the cost of a new MacBook.

Apr 27, 2011 4:33 AM in response to romko23

The adapter converts a micro-sata drive like a Crucial RealSSD C300 the one I used although you may want to go with one that does garbage collection like a OCZ drive if you do lots of work as OS X 10.5 doesn't support TRIM and even if it did I'm not too sure if TRIM would operate through the adapter.

Apr 27, 2011 5:52 AM in response to romko23

Hi romko23, I read one of your earlier posts about one of the other adapters you had looked at which would not have worked due to the size of the adapter and also the size of the SATA drive. The adapter would have to be built into the connecter cable to fit between the SATA drive and the IDE interface as there really is no room for both of them in the drive bay. I decided to try and find an adapter for a MICRO-SATA 1.8 inch drive instead as the capacities, speed and price were all the same as with their 2.5 inch versions. The 1.8 inch can also be moved into a new notebook using SATA1/2/3 ports with a very simple pass through adapter. With the 1.8 inch MICRO-SATA drive and adapter combined the result is actually smaller than a 2.5 inch 44-pin IDE drive so all I needed to do was find a way of stopping the drive from rattling around in the machine which I did by placing some foam around the sides of it carefully not to block any air vents.

May 3, 2011 7:47 AM in response to romko23

You are correct, no matter how fast the sata drive is, once you pass it through an IDE/PATA adapter you are limited to the transfer speeds of that bus. You will however get the best possible performance out of the bus far better than any disk based drive. There are several options for 128GB 1.8 inch SSD's wiht options from Crucial, OCZ, Kingston and Intel.

Jul 9, 2011 9:30 AM in response to blazzr

I installed the same SSD ( Transcend 64GB) as blazzr in my Powerbook and it freezes every time I wake it up from sleep mode.


I'd like to do the MASTER/SLAVE change too but I don't know which part has to be cut from the cable. Can someone explain it in more detail to me? Or give a link to an instruction in the internet?


Would be great, since I an't put my Laptop to sleep for two months now....


Oley

Jan 11, 2012 1:54 PM in response to nocr

Hi, I just want to comment on nocr's post, and give some general feedback. I've just installed a 40Gb OWC Mercury PATA IDE in my PB 12" 1.5GHz, and it's working fine! I cloned the original HD rather than reinstalling Leopard. No freezing after waking from sleep, spookily silent, noticeably faster, and benchmarks fantastic! I debated for a long time whether or not to get a Kingspec SSD, but I'm glad I went for this one. I also used it in a Mac Mini G4, and it worked equally well.

Andrew

Feb 11, 2012 4:16 AM in response to blazzr

Did you actually try this, AND can you confirm that the Combodrive still works properly then?


I have opened my iBook already a few times, and I doubt it will survive much more tweaks.


So I could do this, but if then I notice that my combodrive isn't working anymore, I will have to open the iBook AGAIN and I am afraid that will be too much.


I hope you can tell me that the Combodrive still works after setting internal drive to MASTER with jumpers.

Feb 17, 2012 2:16 PM in response to Marius1976

I changed the stock 60GB HDD by a 64GB KingSpec SSD from eBay on my PBG4 12"/1.33ghz/1.25gb. Performances are great with Leopard, definitely worth it, the system feels much more usable now.


I also had the hang after wake-up problem with Leopard (no issue with Tiger). The solution proposed by blazzr worked like a charm! I chosed to bend the pins on the SSD and solder them together to force the Master mode intead of modifying the PATA cable. The cable still fits nicely after the modification.

The Combo drive is still working fine after the modification.

Feb 17, 2012 2:23 PM in response to Peter Arnegui

Yes!


In my iBook G4, 12" 1.33Ghz I was surprised to see that the PATA connector in the iBook was not mounted over the MASTER/SLAVE jumper pins, so I had to modify nothing (lucky me) 😀


ComboDrive keeps working indeed.


Only weird thing is that my SSD seems to slow down incredibily as soon as another task is using the harddrive. As long as one program uses the harddisk it is incredible fast, but as soon as something else is going on (like dropbox sync) it slows down to almost unusable speed. Very odd since my 'normal' 60GB harddrive had no problems with combining tasks. I have 1GB in the iBook G4 and Running Tiger 10.4.11


Another big trouble is Safari 4. As soon as that program has eaten all the free memory, the SSD slows down to unusable speed (SLOW!!). Now I use TenFourFox which works much much better on the iBook G4, compared to Safari 4.


Overall I'm glad I did this upgrade (to ssd) and the fix with the set-jumper-to-master!


Thanks people here on Apple Discussions! This was very helpful!

Jul 1, 2012 9:27 AM in response to Marius1976


PATA SSD in Powerbook G4 PPC, Mac OS X 10.5.8.


Howdy folks and thanks for reading. Just wanted to post a summary of my successful mission to install an SSD in my ancient Apple Macintosh Powerbook G4.


- Apple Macintosh Powerbook G4 15 inch, 1.25 GHz PPC, 2GB RAM, Panasonic UJ-85JS as superdrive upgrade, aluminum case.


- Mac OS X 10.5.8 Leopard.


I chose the Transcend model TS128GPSD320 128GB PATA 2.5 inch SSD. Another one I looked at was the Kingspec 128GB PATA. I went with the Transcend because of price and availability.


First I backed up the existing hard drive as a .dmg using Disk Utility. Free alternatives are CC CLoner and SuperDuper. Commercial variants include Clone X, Data Rescue, and CopyCat.


Next I attached the Transcend SSD via USB using one of those external adapters that let you plug in 5.25/3.5/2.5/PATA/SATA drives.


I performed a format as HFS, Journaling, APM, zero all sectors. Yup I know that it is not advised to perform a low level format of an SSD, but I came across some posts about 'seasoning' an SSD for use. An SSD can take thousands of write cycles and so I figured by doing a zero all sectors, any bad blocks will be caught and spared out right away.


Next I cloned the existing hard drive to the SSD using Disk Utility.


Installation was smooth as the Transcend had the exact same dimensions as the existing 80GB Toshiba IDE electromechanical HDD. One difference was the Transcend needed a jumper to be set as master while most regular 2.5" drives have no jumper present for master disk mode. I did see a post from someone who had problems with their SSD until they put the jumper back on as master (or CS). The SSD seemed weird because it is this plain, smooth box that weighs a fraction of a HDD and so it seemed, well, flimsy. Also, there were absolutely no sounds and no heat could be felt during the formatting and cloning operations.


After the backup, format, clone and swap were done, the Powerbook booted up with no problems. I immediately turned off system sleep. Sleep would cause everything in memory to be written to the SSD then deleted upon exiting sleep. Unnecessary write cycles, right? Again, I had seen posts from others who had performance issues with their SSD with sleep enabled.


I had done lots of research about SSD before hand. My issues were: a) Was it worth the expense to put such a nice drive in an old PPC machine? b) The performance degradation issue over time. c) Reliability.


I used the Aja utility to measure read and write speeds. The original 4200 RPM hard drive averaged about 50MB/sec read, 30MB/sec write. The Transcend SSD averaged about 70MB/sec read, 50MB/sec write probably because of no latency and a much faster controller interface. So I am getting full performance from the system IDE bus. In fact, that is a bottleneck since the TS128GPSD320 is capable of the latest ATA standard.


I did not experience a faster boot up. I tried setting the SSD as the boot drive in Startup Disk, but it made no improvement. No difference in shutdown time either. There was vast improvement in the time to launch applications, however. I am using MS Office 2008 and there was a major speed up in the time to launch Word.


Leopard does not support the TRIM command. I found a utility that will issue the TRIM command, but requires at least 10.6 Snow Leopard. Mac OS X 10.6 and later do not support PPC :-( I am going to try the erase free space feature of Disk Utility to simulate TRIM once I start getting performance degradation due to low free blocks available.


So in summary, I had a great experience with upgrading to an SSD in my legacy Powerbook G4. The price was high vs. the equivalent capacity IDE electro-mechanical hard disk drive. There are some performance improvements, but not enough to justify the increased cost considering resale value or the cost of a replacement machine. In perspective, I could have had a brand new 7200 RPM 320 GB hard drive for the same price as the 128GB Transcend SSD.


I plan to use my modified Powerbook for quite a few more years, though. It serves my needs well and is better than stock issue because of the superdrive, memory, and SSD upgrades.


I plan to do incremental backups often. One problem with solid state devices like USB flash drives and SSD is the electronics can totally fail preventing DIY recovery. Pro recovery services are enormously expensive because the flash chips have to be de-soldered then mounted on a rescue board, subsequently the files are then reconstructed, etc. and so on. So keep all flash ROMS devices backed up.


Thanks for reading and contact me with questions about further details.

Considering buying 128GB PATA SSD for 12" PowerBook G4

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