OS9 apps won't work in Classic

My old G3 Powerbook HD died again. Got a G4 Mini 1.5G w/ OS10.4.11 (all new updates as of 11/15/09) so I could still use old design files from apps like VectorWorks 8.5.2 and Illustrator 7.0.1 that I really need from my business archives. Classic is installed and says its running OS9.2.2 like it should, and previously installed OS9 apps like Outlook Express 5.0 work OK.
What do I need to do to get the apps from my backup drive to work on the "new" system?

mini G4 1,5G, Mac OS X (10.4.11)

Posted on Jan 1, 2010 6:54 PM

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Jan 1, 2010 7:46 PM in response to BDAqua

Thanx for the help. I did try copying a few whole app folders over to the "new" (for me) 'Applications (Mac OS 9)' Folder hoping that would help it to recognize them. I even tried dragging them over different System and Classic icons (as if that would be the magic trick). All I ever get is the Choose Application window, and follow that to find the old app icon is generic and grayed and nothing happens when clicked.
In researching this upgrade I learned OS 10.4.11 is the highest for Classic, and this G4 Mini is too new to be OS9 booted, but I don't think ALL of my old apps are not Classic-compatible. Vectorworks 8.5.2 is the most vital to me--it is a CAD program I have hundreds of design files on. The version selling now may not even read files from that era, making app upgrade not only expensive but not even a workable option. This CAD program does not use any network or peripheral resources that require extensions and such, and ran easily with less memory, so I see no reason it could not work in Classic mode.
Am I missing some way to tag the app file as an OS9 app?

Jan 2, 2010 1:54 PM in response to Michael Wasley

Rebuilt the OS9 Desktop and restarted twice before I requested your help with no luck. No dongle was required for any of the apps. I don't have the original app discs. They have always copied over across hard drives and OS9 machines before.

Some old OS9 apps I had open as Preview- Photoshop 5.0 LE, PhotoDeluxe 2.0, AppleWorks 5, Final Cut Pro 2.0, GraphicConverter, Quicken Deluxe 2000 do that. Others come up as Choose Application... I am deferring attempts with stuff like scan software because I have heard they are problematic. Has anybody else been unable to get Adobe apps to run in Classic?

Some experiments;
Old SimpleText on the backup drive is shown with a generic icon, SimpleText in new Apps(OS9) folder is full graphic. Double-clicking old icon on backup (non-boot Firewire) drive opens a SimpleText window under Tiger TextEdit. Preview for text, I suppose. Renamed and copied to new Apps(OS9) folder is the same.
Old Sherlock 2 opens Tiger Preview. New Sherlock 2 opens (with an out of date warning) and does run in Classic and also reads the backup drive.

I have the OS 9.1 (retail install) discs they were running under on the G3. Am a little reluctant to stick that on the MiniMac OS 10.4 disc, since the OS 9.2.2 (confirmed intact) there is supposed to be the best OS for Classic, right? If I do, is it better to install OS 9.1 from the CD or drag the System Folder from CD over?

Jan 2, 2010 2:28 PM in response to cryobaby

Has anybody else been unable to get Adobe apps to run in Classic?


I can Run Illustrator 8.0.1, PS6, & many others fine.

SimpleText window under Tiger TextEdit. Preview for text...


Hmmm, Safe Boot from the HD, (holding Shift key down at bootup), run Disk Utility in Applications>Utilities, then highlight your drive, click on Repair Permissions...

Reset Launch Services...

http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/resetlaunchservices.html#Anchor-Reset-47857

is it better to install OS 9.1 from the CD or drag the System Folder from CD over?


The CD's System Folder will not work on the HD.

Jan 2, 2010 2:50 PM in response to cryobaby

I have run Adobe's PS5LE, PhotoDeLuxe, HomePage and Image Styler within Classic under 10.4.11 with no problems.

It might be worth trashing preferences of the problem applications.

In System Folder > Application Support I have a folder called Adobe but what it does I know not, might be worth looking to see if you have it.

As I recall 9.1 does not support Classic in OSX so will be of no help to you.

Michael

Jan 2, 2010 3:03 PM in response to cryobaby

If the OS 9 system and Applications (9) Folder from the other computer were
put into an external enclosed hard disk drive, they could probably be accessed
from the Classic application in the OS X system on the later computer. (Or in
a second internal hard drive, as a tower would provide; or in a partition.)

And, any update OS X would need to perform on the OS 9.2.2 system to be
used as classic (or an older one you may be able to update or change) would
then be corrected for use with Tiger's Classic in the desired computer. This
could be done without messing with the Classic or anything in the computer,
if the external idea were used. And that would leave you a second Classic
source to choose from in the OS X System Preference for running Classic.
If not too late to make the distinction and go at the process differently.

From a security standpoint, if you do not need to use Classic at all, you are
better off; if the computer in question goes online or has access by others.
But that may be another matter. The more you've read, the more you know.

In any event, there may be another way to use Classic and the older Apps.
Some applications do not like running under Classic, but did well in OS 9.2.2.

Good luck & happy computing! 🙂

Jan 2, 2010 3:35 PM in response to cryobaby

I did Permissions Repair and Reset Launch Services first way (no help) and 2nd way (not in Safe Boot) with no effect.

As far as Prefs for the non-working apps, those are not even on the backup disc. It is a non-bootable Firewire disc and as such would not like having a system on it. I did store Control Panels and Extensions folders on it for recovery purposes which did come in handy once or twice in the past. I have since renamed the partial old OS9 System Folder folder, and doubt it could be the cause. Just to be sure, I trashed it and am restarting . . .

Jan 2, 2010 5:14 PM in response to Texas Mac Man

My Firewire backup disc is non-bootable. It would hang startup if it had an OS when running on my G3 Pismo, so I always left off the OS. I just tried dragging the OS9 CD System Folder over there to try your suggestion, Tex. The Classic Prefs window does not recognize it as a OS9 system.

Maybe a bootable Firewire drive would be able to do what you and KS are suggesting, but I just don't have that option right now. I felt ripped off after discovering this drive would only store and not let me boot. I would feel more ripped off if a replacement would not solve the problem and I still can't get Classic to do what it claims to after buying this hardware. Before doing that, I would probably buy an OS9 bootable Mac to be sure it would run OS9 apps.

Meanwhile, Classic ain't cuttin' it for me . . .

Am seeing .DAT files and .FRK folders on the backup drive that weren't there before. Is that normal? Am guessing they were there, but invisible when using OS9?

Is there something about this lame drive or its directory (originally formatted by an OS9 machine, remember) that OSX won't see the files the same way?

Jan 2, 2010 5:27 PM in response to Michael Wasley

Many of them do have periods (we stopped using STOP to end sentences with the telegraph on this side of the pond) actually. And other funny symbols. I removed all non-alphanumerics from Adobe Illustrator (registered trademark symbol) 7.0.1, rebuilt desktop, restarted and still no good.

I even trashed the Classic Prefs file earlier. Do I sound frustrated yet?

Open to any suggestions . . .

Jan 2, 2010 5:41 PM in response to cryobaby

Can a USB Flash drive be used for an OS9 as Classic system location?

That should be possible, if the format is correct and supported, and the
version OS9.2.2 proper for the interactions to occur between X & Classic-9.

Does the external drive require _OS9 Drivers_ to be installed? - shouldn't.

While I have a few USB Flash drives, they have not been used for any
system use, boot or otherwise. Yet, a regular USB hard disk drive should
not need to be bootable, to be utilized as a location for Classic 9.

Some minor experimentation may be in order, to see what else can be done.

{PS: I don't see where anyone advocated drag-drop copying of a system
from an installer OS9 CD into a drive; maybe I read that reference wrong.}

Good luck & happy computing! 🙂

{ edited to add PS }

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