"+Luckily I tried the 30 day trial before purchasing. You should be able to get a refund but it would be better if they fixed it.+"
I had no problems with 1.5 or 2 so didn't bother with the trial and (stupidly) deleted my old Aperture library - is there any known way to convert your AP3 library back to an old one?
I have exactly the same problem with Aperture 3 running on my 2.16 GHz MacBook Pro.
The MacBook does have 3Go RAM and the famous Radeon X1600 GPU. The same problem happens with iPhoto.
That bug is really annoying. I hope an update will be soon available!
Actually, based on MY experience, this is what I believe has happened:
The NVIDIA 7300GT users of 2.1.4 may have been experiencing graphic glitches in Snow Leopard. There was an update for these cards running Boot Camp and Vista. I manually downloaded and installed this update, even though it DID NOT pertain to my situation. It changed my ROM revision on my Graphics Card and presumably installed a new driver. The problems with 2.1.4 and Snow Leopard disappeared.
I then installed Aperture 3. The problems have returned.
To be clear: THERE WERE NO ISSUES WITH 2.1.4 and Leopard and rarely any issues with 2.1.4 and Snow Leopard after the 1/19/10 Apple update (for many, this update did not apply, and those users, to my knowledge, still experience problems with 2.1.4 and Snow Leopard).
Because there were the same graphics bugs in 2.1.4 for other users after converting to SL which did NOT exist in Leopard, I believe that Snow Leopard had something to do with the problems for certain particular graphics cards. After 3's release, there appears to be problems with graphic corruption not necessarily experienced with the SL and previous versions of Aperture.
All problems point to the graphics drivers/cards. For some: no problems with 2.1.4 and Leopard, but problems with 2.1.4 and SL, which continue to this day. For others: no problems with 2.1.4 and Snow Leopard, but problems with 3.0 and Snow Leopard. For the lucky: problems with 2.1.4 and SL, but no problems with 3.0 and SL. For the blessed: no problems with Aperture with any OS or version.
And let me just say, after reading about these problems for MONTHS, there have been numerous reinstalls, fresh installs, new iMacs, new MB Pros, etc...tested and reloaded and retested and pulled apart and cards replaced....and the issues for some, remain.
Now, with this inconsistency and one source responsibility (uuuuhhh.... that would be Apple) you would expect some word from the company making the OS, hardware, and professional software, not to mention record profits for the past several quarters, no?
@lovinmymac - Wow! You really did do a lot of testing for Apple, I hope they are paying you for all the time and effort that you are expending!
I have this same problem and I spent a bit of time trying to sort it out, then I found this discussion and realised the extent of the issue. I have tried the A3 trial on my early Intel iMac and on a 2.4GHz MacBook. On my iMac it's pretty much unusable due to this problem and because of the huge processor and memory requirements. My MacBook copes reasonably well (although the fan is always running at full speed) and I haven't experienced this issue with it yet. Both machines are 10.6.2.
It seems that generally it is "older" Macs that are affected so my guess would be that Apple will not have this tagged as high priority and may well just let it slide in the hope that we all go and purchase new Macs.
So what was my solution to this really annoying bug? I bought Lightroom 2 and it is actually better than A3 in so many ways. Sure it doesn't have the bells and whistles that A3 has but in terms of producing the best looking images in the least amount of time it is a clear winner. It loads quickly (20 sec vs 2:25 for A3!), uses far less resources, image modifications happen almost instantaneously (instead of having to wait 10 sec or more in A3 for the updates to render out) and once you get used to the unorthodox interface it is, in my humble opinion, actually much nicer to use than A3.
Now I am not saying that LR is for everyone - far from it - but in my situation I can use LR very effectively on my existing hardware whereas if I bought A3 I would also need to spend £1000+ on a new Mac to run it. I would like to have some of A3's features in LR but the fact is that LR lets me process my RAW images into stunning results and also does a very nice job of cataloguing and outputting my images. That is what I
need.
I also just tried the new beta version of LR3 expecting it to run as badly A3 on my ageing machine. It ran really nicely! Maybe 5-10% slower than LR2 but given all the new features that's a small price to pay. And it now supports video too.
This isn't meant to be an Aperture vs LightRoom war, I am just saying that it might be worth checking out the alternatives (Lightroom, Bibble, CaptureOne) before either:
1. Spending lots of time chasing bugs, doing reinsallations, formatting HDD's etc.....
2. Spending on a new Mac for the sake of being able to use one piece of software.
3. Waiting around in the vain hope that Apple addresses the issue sometime soon and in the meantime just living with the problem. Fingers crossed for a 10.6.3 fix but in the meantime I'll be processing my images trouble-free in LR.
Hi and thanks for your response. I actually tried Lightroom 3 beta and found it excellent...except it does not integrate well with other Mac services and apps...especially MobileMe galleries. In addition, I like the book layout feature of Aperture.
That said, I also tried Capture One Pro5, Bibble Pro 5, and something else I forget at the moment.
The new update to Aperture 3.0.2 may have fixed any issues I had with certain adjustments. Aperture is not as responsive as Lightroom 3, but my use of the edge sharpening slider in full screen mode this morning indicates that the people at Apple have really improved the responsiveness of this adjustment. They also claim improvements to Curve and Straightening adjustments. This is, coincidentally, the same adjustments I found to create the potential graphics glitch mentioned. I recommend everyone try the 3.0.2 Aperture update and trash the com.apple.Aperture.plist file after installing the update. Then restart the program and see what happens....don't forget to change your preference settings after installing the new update and scrapping the plist file...
To be clear: I never experienced problems with exporting, syncing to mobileme, emailing photos, scrolling, etc...just graphic glitches on certain adjustments...which had been experienced by other users with more powerful and newer hardware than my own....
I've installed 3.0.2 and am effectively back to square one in terms of the graphics problem. It was a bit less prominent in 3.0.1. Now the bug occurs every time I’m trying to brush an adjustment in.
I noticed, however, a quite significant performance improvement when compared to 3.0.1. Istat shows Aperture consuming up to 50-60% of the processor (150-180% before) and there’s at least 800MB RAM memory available at any given time (was dropping to 50MB in 3.0.1). I'm testing LR 3 beta 2 at the same time and the responsiveness of both applications is now similar on my humble iMac.
I’m waiting for the rumoured 10.6.3 which, according to Macworld, brings in fixes to graphic cards drivers. I can wait another couple of weeks to see if the bug is fixed. If not, I’ll probably follow Paul’s decision to jump the ship. Sure I’m gonna miss some of Aperture’s features. However, in the end of the day, I need an app that
works.
Hi there, I just tried 3.0.2 in the hope that this bug (amongst others) had been fixed. Aperture now loads in about 2 minutes rather than 2:20 or so before so there has clearly been some optimisation in the new release. I browsed my images, picked one at random, selected the dodge brush and bang there was the graphic bug in all it's glory. I tried another image and played around with a few settings and eventually that one displayed the bug too. Then I quit Aperture and went back to work in LightRoom 🙂
All the bug fixes and optimisation that is taking place with Aperture is great and Apple should be applauded for their efforts in sorting out some of the issues but for me this graphics bug is the key issue and until it's resolved no amount of features will lure me away from LightRoom because it just keeps on doing what I need it to.
Incidentally, there is a slick plugin for LightRoom to export images straight to MobileMe and exporting into an email just requires configuring the export dialogue to open Mail when the export is complete (a ten second job) then Mail opens up, creates a new message and drops the selected images straight in. Not quite a slick as Aperture but only a click or two extra.
As for the tight system integration with iWork apps, well it would be nice but I am not losing sleep over it. I don't use iWork that much but for someone who uses it a lot then Aperture may well be a lifesaver. I don't think that anyone would dispute that photo-books are a clear win for Aperture but I wouldn't be surprised if photo-books were included in the final LR3 release. Printing is big money and Apple realised that very early in the game. Adobe would be mad to ignore such a feature.
One area where I really wish LR did have better integration is synching with my AppleTV. Again though once you get a workflow it's not a big drama - export images using a preset to size and compress accordingly, drag the folder of exported images from the desktop to iPhoto, close iPhoto, open iTunes and synchronise. Not slick but then I only do it once every couple of weeks and the whole process only takes a minute or two.
I suppose what I am saying here is that while Aperture has it all under one roof and it usually all pulls together nicely LightRoom can do most of the same stuff but it just feels a bit less slick.
I have had the same problem since Aperture 2 and Snow leopard, I have used Aperture since Aperture 1 day 1 ... It was fine till Snow Leopard and Aperture 2 ... I finally got fed up and went to see if they can fix it ... the 'geniuses' at apple decided its a hardware issue and replaced my entire logic board (the GPU and CPU) 2 times ... no improvement ... then they suggested I re-import 3 years of images again ... no help ... then they suggested to reformat the whole HD and install everything again ... no improvement ... I am currently running 10.6.2 with Aperture 3 (the latest version as of 03/29/2010 today) and I have seen this issue exactly as your screen captures and descriptions. I am so fed up and ******, I'm ready to chuck this machine out the window ... my extended warranty ( I paid 300 for) on my macbook pro will run out April 18 2010 and I see no resolution in sight ... I have been to the Apple store so many times, they shriek when they see me walk in ... but they have never helped me only wasted my time ... I really don't know what else to do. I just really think this is unacceptable and for the money I've spent it should be resolved or I should be compensated in some way ...
+1 For that course of action. It's primarily Aperture that's at fault here. Maybe it's an OS X glitch that causes Aperture to have this problem but if it doesn't manifest itself in any other apps then I would be chasing a refund on Aperture.
If you use Aperture for your business then I would suggest that you have already invested far more time and effort than this is worth, buy an application that works (LightRoom rocks for me but it may not be for everyone) and helps you achieve your tasks. If it's for personal use only then just ask yourself how you value your personal time - sounds like you have spent many hours trying to get this fixed.
Just installed and tried AP3, same problems as before. Still having reproducible graphics glitches using brushes. I imagine I'll have the problems while making some adjustments too, but I didn't bother checking.
