Final Cut Pro, HF S100 and 24p

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Final Cut Pro, HF S100 and 24p

I recorded movies in 60i, 30p and 24p (by the setting on the camera). I then do a LOG AND TRANSFER and movies are brought in. When i look at the settings (in FCP) they are all 29.97 framerate. Why is this? How do i get the 24p footage in, and have FCP and all other programs recognize it as true 24p?

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.2)

Posted on Feb 10, 2010 3:42 PM

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Shane Ross

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Feb 10, 2010 5:19 PM in response to NiN213

The camera doesn't shoot true 24p. It shoots 24p over 60i...29.97. The "film look" but running at video rate.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=177&mo delid=17992#ModelFeaturesAct

"24p Cinema Mode enables all aspiring moviemakers to achieve a professional "film-look." You can change the camcorder's frame capture rate to 24p (recorded at 60i), which provides the appearance of the same frame rate as movie film. In addition, you can use the VIXIA HF S100's CINEMA setting, which changes the color and tonal characteristics, evoking the look and feel of a movie shown in a theater."

You don't need TRUE 24 anyway...that's marketting hype.

Shane

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Wes Plate

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Feb 10, 2010 5:45 PM in response to Shane Ross

Shane Ross wrote:
You don't need TRUE 24 anyway...that's marketting hype.

Unless the web was your delivery method, then having progressive 24fps would be desirable.

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NiN213 Author

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Feb 10, 2010 8:10 PM in response to Shane Ross

So the 27.97p is really 60i, and FCP does not care what it was shot in?
I created a 1920x1080 24p Apple Pro, dropped the footage and said NO to settings change.
Im assuming that a reverse-telecine took place?
Is this the proper way to do it, or do I need to use Cinema Tools?

My output will be on HDTVs from DVD or Blu-Ray (in the future). That is why i really want to do 24p.

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Shane Ross

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Feb 10, 2010 9:30 PM in response to NiN213

Going to DVD? Then you are fine. 29.97 is perfectly acceptable for DVD.

So the 27.97p is really 60i, and FCP does not care what it was shot in?

It does. It was shot 1080i60, with a film-like cadence. It wasn't shot 23.98. FCP imported it exactly how it was shot. Read that snippet I posted again...it says this plain as day.

I created a 1920x1080 24p Apple Pro, dropped the footage and said NO to settings change.

Really? Well, do you see a render bar above the footage in the timeline? If so...then the clip settings and sequence settings don't match.

Im assuming that a reverse-telecine took place?

Wrong assumption. It didn't unless you told it to. HDV and other GOP formats cannot have telecine removed. You need to convert to ProRes before you can remove telecine.

Is this the proper way to do it, or do I need to use Cinema Tools?

FCP does this...as does Cinema Tools.

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fcpninja

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Mar 6, 2010 9:32 AM in response to Shane Ross

Just got the same camera. I get what you're saying... However, when I frame through my media after import into FCP as ProRes 422, there is no 24p cadence. Every one of the 30 fps (29.97) is a new frame - no repeating frames like I get when I cut film footage in a 29.97 time line...

Any Ideas?

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