Disk is too slow or system overload (-10010)

Yes I have searched but I couldn't find an actual solution to get logic to stop doing this every other minute (literally). I used to think the 'smart' snap feature was the most annoying thing in logic, but this waaaaaay surpasses it.

Anybody found a solution yet?

Logic 9.1.0 32 bit.

iMac 27" i7, Mac OS X (10.6.2), MacBook 2G CoreDuo (10.4.11)

Posted on Feb 26, 2010 11:30 AM

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Feb 26, 2010 2:00 PM in response to The Mighty Doosh

Do you know the data bandwidth specs of your machine? Do yo know the details on how Logic interfaces with your hard drive?

For instance, what kind/speed of a drive are you writing and reading you Logic data? How fast is it? Is it the same drive as your OS' System Disk, etc.

Logic isn't a casual app. It's pro software and demands attention to operate effectively. It also takes some time to configure it properly. Again, search a little more thoroughly and you'll be rewarded with answers to your queries.

I record 16 channels simultaneously in my basement studio to a 10 year 450Mhz old G4 with 512Mb or Ram in it, so throwing money at a problem by buying new computers, in my opinion, is not the path to a solution.

FYI, that old G4 tower's disks are set up to handle more data bandwidth than my contemporary MacBookPro's internal drive.

Feb 26, 2010 2:39 PM in response to fuzzynormal

I've been using my iMac's internal drive for all my audio data and recently started having crackling and if the buffer was too low it would also "systtem overload" someone said using that disk was a bad idea. But I don''t really have an option at this point to record to different external disk, unless I was to buy a firewire drive and daisy chain?? it with my Apogee Duet. But then I don't have my audio data or whatever being backed up to my backup drive the way i do now. What would you suggest doing in my situation?? Is there a way to partitiion the disk or something to use for Logic or what?? 16 channels???? I was crackling with 1 channel. See my post

http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=11142804#11142804

Feb 26, 2010 3:21 PM in response to fuzzynormal

The thing to remember is that the infamous 'disk too slow' or 'CPU too slow' error messages aren't just some random bug that needs fixing. They are actually warnings that are there for a reason. You'll get them in any DAW - or any kind of audio or even video application - that needs to do a lot of disk read/writes and CPU work in realtime. There is plenty of advice out there on how to optimize your system to get it to perform as best as it can (even in the Logic documentation), but there is obviously a physical limit to how many tracks and plug ins you can use. When you hit this limit, then all the warning is telling you is that your drive or CPU are actually too slow for the task at hand. At that point, there are other workarounds (like freezing tracks, adjusting buffer and other settings, or bouncing subgroups etc) to keep you working. In some cases it might mean that your work is beyond the capabilities of the machine you're using, in which case considering getting a faster Mac and/or faster hard drive(s) is the next solution.

Another thing to keep in mind is that Logic uses a kind of resource optimization process, built in to the audio engine. This means that sometimes you'll get a 'disk too slow' error in some part of your song, but when you play through that part a second time, you don't get the error again. This behaviour is markedly different to how other DAWs work, notably ProTools, where the disk and CPU resources are pre-allocated to guarantee performance up to a pre-defined maximum limit of tracks.. The upside of Logic's dynamic engine is that it allows Logic to squeeze out every last drop of power it can get it hands on, by not doing any processing on tracks that aren't playing audio at a given time. But the downside is that you can get CPU or disk too slow errors at seemingly random places. It can be confusing to see a disk too slow message when playing a certain passage, and then not seeing it again in exactly the same passage later.. leading to people wondering if it truly is random, and a bug. But it isn't a random bug, it's just the way Logic handles audio in an effort to get the highest track count possible at any given time.

Btw, @ fuzznormal: While I agree with pretty much everything you said, you make it sound like a MacBook Pro's internal drive is slower than it really is. Honestly, even if you have put in dedicated SATA II cards or some kind of decent SCSI in your G4, the system buss alone on those old machines is at least an order of magnitude slower than the system buss on any current Mac.. It creates a pretty formidable bottleneck which wipes out a significant amount of any speed advantage the G4 with dedicated drives might have over a MacBook Pro using its humble internal. I (like everyone) used to have a snazzy G4 with a fast SCSI card (I think it was SCSI anyway), and there's no way I could get anywhere near as many tracks running as I can now on my MacBook Pro using the internal drive. Of course I don't usually use the internal drive for audio, but on the occasions that I've had to, it happily chugged out more tracks than my old G4 could, with very rare disk overloads.

Feb 26, 2010 3:50 PM in response to tbirdparis

yep, i've read the manual section. The thing about the RAM is that at the settings i have it says that my System Memory Requirement is 80MB. Well my system has plenty, especially when i am running ONLY Logic. I would think my system should be able to handle the following. 3 EXS24 tracks. 1 track playing an Apple Loop, 1 Track with Ultrabeat playing. I mean really???? Oh and NO plugins. My channel strips are clean. Now all of a sudden I try to record ONE track with my friends bass guitar and I have crackling??? Note my previous thread where I demonstrated what conditions I normally work under. 4 software instruments, couple apple loops, 6 tracks of audio recordings, 4 or 5 applications running in the background. sometimes a dvd ripping or encoding. NEVER a problem. so WHY just now??, Is there something about the BASS GUITAR. haha, that sounds so ridiculous but that's why i am stumped.

Okay I understand the second paragraph, i mean not TECHNICALLY but i see what you are saying. At firrst I thought my DUET was introducing static and pops. But, once i checked playback I realized it was in different spots and not everytime, knowing that I had a clean recording but my playback was being affected.

If this is truly caused by system resources then why can I run 5 different apps in he background prior to having this ONE audio file in my project, with no problems????? but run only Logic and put this audio file in my project and NOW i have system limitations?? so it takes more resources to play one audio file in logic than to run multiple apps, including more intensive ones such as encoding DVDs?? Man I'm just not getting my problem.. I can't wait to get home and test some more stuff out.

Feb 26, 2010 3:56 PM in response to Kerose

I didn't read your post before writing what I wrote, so I was responding specifically to your situation, just FYI.

In any case, in your system it sounds like your buffer setting might be too low. I use a Duet with my laptop system and I can definitely run a whole lot more than the number of things you listed without ever getting any crackles, even while recording audio. So something's definitely up at your end, that's not normal.

Feb 26, 2010 4:56 PM in response to tbirdparis

tell me about it, thing is i've restarted Logic when my friend was playing and it got to the point it sounded like white fuzz on your tv set almost. So after restarting Logic, I turned the Buffer up to like 526 or whatever. and there was still the crackling noise. Then yesterday while I was doing a little mix to the tracks I tested at several different buffers. anything below 256 would give "system overload" error, and anything above I'd still have crackling. So buffer settings alone have not helped. And yes, That is really all i'm using for tracks. and NO plugs. SO WEIRD

Feb 27, 2010 12:34 AM in response to fuzzynormal

Couple of points on your condescending post; firstly I have been using Logic for nearly as many years as I was Cubase previously, I know exactly the bandwidth specs of my machine, I know exactly how Logic interfaces with my hard drive, and fyi Logic is configured well within the limits of my aforementioned machine.

I also don't believe that throwing money at a problem is always a path to a solution, if you bothered to read my post you would know that I wasn't having this problem before I 'threw my money around' so that point is irrelevant. And imo (fwiw) throwing tired cliches around is seldom the path to a solution either.

Bravo on fine-tuning your G4 setup so well, I bet you make brilliant music, I can't wait to hear it. In the mean time please don't post again in this thread. Many thanks.

Feb 27, 2010 12:34 AM in response to The Mighty Doosh

To everyone else, many thanks for your responses, I know this is a common question so I really appreciate you taking time to respond.

I'm working on a really lightweight project, I would have expected it to run quite comfortably on a much less powerful machine. The project is set up at 44.1/24bit, OK I know I could drop to 16 bit but really should I have to? I'm running like 8 audio tracks and 4 MIDI instruments (ES2, EXS24, V-Station, DG Basic). There are a few AU FX loaded (Logics own compressors, eq's etc) but much less than my macbook can handle and the iMac is waaaay more powerful than that.

Feb 27, 2010 1:08 AM in response to The Mighty Doosh

The Mighty Doosh wrote:
To everyone else, many thanks for your responses, I know this is a common question so I really appreciate you taking time to respond.


No problem, I actually responded to the wrong poster when I asked about the sample rate and bit depth.

I'm working on a really lightweight project, I would have expected it to run quite comfortably on a much less powerful machine. The project is set up at 44.1/24bit, OK I know I could drop to 16 bit but really should I have to? I'm running like 8 audio tracks and 4 MIDI instruments (ES2, EXS24, V-Station, DG Basic). There are a few AU FX loaded (Logics own compressors, eq's etc) but much less than my macbook can handle and the iMac is waaaay more powerful than that.


I was wondering if you were recording at 96kHz because there are some known problems with Snow Leopard and high sampling rates.

Is your Macbook on 10.4.11 running Logic 8?

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