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Airport Express (Model with 802.11G +54MBPS Mac/PC and Set Up Issues

Hi,
We have a 4 Mac and 1 PC Household. Cable Internet Service by Roadrunner.Cable model (owned) connected to a D-Link 802.11G wi fi router (by ethernet from cable modem)in the family room , then out to a Imac (the half moon base and LCD screen with a airport card also in the family room and the closet computer to the D-Link
router, (we did add a D-Link antenna to the router ? about 10 months ago (a D-Link ANT24-0700 (Version 1.2)and a HP 4 in 1 printer attached via USB to the Imac
,a eMac 1.25 ghz 1Gb ram with airpot card also connected wirelessly (no printer attached on the same floor but in a ajoinging room about 20 feet from the Router, and another eMac 1.0 Ghz 1Gb ram with airport card in the upstairs part of our house (a bedroom) and no issue with Internet connection (it has a Epson 3in 1 printer attached via USB, and a MacBook Pro with 802.11N wireless card in side , bought for a Christmas/Birthday Present and also for college.It to has no issues with the Internet where ever it may be in the house. Our sole PC a HP tower with a added D-Link WDA -2320 Range Booster Desktop Adapter (802.11G) and we added a D-Link Antenna same model as the other a ANT24-0700 to help with Internet access which it did as well as adding some ram to increase page loading time etc. It does not have a printer attached. I will get to the Topic Area now
The Airport Express. I was not involved in the set-up as I was laid up due to a bad back and post major knee surgery , But I always (especially recently) wondered why the light was amber and blinking. I read through the manual and also
Apple.com support and MacFixit.com (which is under construction and moved to part of Cnet.com)and then went to the Airport Express Discussion area (sorry for being so wordy) I need a Twitter account to post!) We have a network name for the D-Link and the computers all were added and it also supports a Xbox 360, a Sony PlayStation 3 and a Nintendo Wi (in online use without issue) but..
A network was also as it appears to myself) for the Airport Express and under the half moon bars showing connection strenght (there is our D-Link network "phoenix" with security protection WPA2 I believe) as I have set up the router, We had a Apple Base station prior that was ? 802.11B (a half moon white unit) still have it in the box ) So for normal daily use, checking e-mail and internet use all of the computers use the "phoenix" or D-Link supported Router 802.11G
and The other network calld Apple Network with numbers and letters after it (and hopefully security) password is unknown , The Airport Express is set up connected via USB to a HP B&W laser printer which has saved quite a bit of money on ink, To utilize that printer you must switch from "phoenix" The D-Link router network to the Apple Network (followed by letters and numbers) The Imac and the eMac in the family room and a ajoing room (after switching to the Apple Network
can than print to the lasr printer. The eMac upstairs and the HP Windows XP Professional software can not print to the laser printer (yet the HP PC shows it as a individual network and a strong signal, equal to the Internet connection from the D-Link, and the eMac (after switching under the half moon (not the proper name I am sure) to get to the Apple Network to print , it will not print, yet it shows a 5 bar signal, same as the D-Link connection. I do believe we have two seperate networks (but do not understand why the two Mac's in the family room can print to the laser printer by simply switching networks and then file and print. ** One other 9probaly major item is that it states to set up the Airport Express with a Mac With OSX 10.4 or later (at the time of set up, we had the Imac and two eMac's all running Panther OSX 10.3.9 9which they continue to have installed) We obtained the HP Tower and Monitor and HP 4in 1 printer ust before Christmas in 2008 and the MacBook Pro in Mid December 2009 (current model and running Snow Leopard 10.6. The HP Tower runs Windows Xp Professional (Service Pack 3) so the MacBook Pro which is much more mobile , could be used to do the set-up, or the HP Tower coulf be moved temprarily, I do recall if Router changes (at least with The D-Link You need to be connected by Ethernet to the Mac
that would be doing the set up/configuration of the router (and it runs OSX 10.3.9 and is a older Mac (with 80Gb Hard drive that is partioned for OS9 and OSX as well , it is under a Ghz processor wise and less than 1 Gb of ram as the last ram slot required a seal to be broken and 256mb of ram (?) could be added
it has 768 mb of ram but knock on wood running well. We use Lacie external drives
on the Imac and both eMac's and need to get external drives for the HP PC as well as the Mac Book Pro (15" screen)

I apoogize if I repeated myself, and rambled but I wanted to (in one post) to explain our set up and network configuration

Questions
1) if indeed it is that the two networks is true and a set yp that is not correct
can the Airport Express be configured without opening up the router (when ever that happens it seems one computer is unable to get online and each time its a differnt one a Mac or veen the PC
The PC under My Computer and Networks clearly shows the wto distinct and seperate netwoks with strong signals and the distance is not far (it is through a floor as the other emac and the PC are upstairs and cabling by ethernet is not a option

2) If I need to open the router would I add the Airport Express as a client as if it was one of the computers or gaming systems on the network? (adding the Mac adress or IP address (not sure how you find the Mac address) and its been while since the router was opened up for any additions or work on it.

3) would it be on the same channel as the router or not ?

4) Hopefully with proper configuration the light will stay on (and green) on the A/E and the eMac and HP PC will be able to print to the laser printer. Currentlt
when anything needs printed from the PC its put on a Flasg Drive and plugged in tothe Imac and the the Apple Network is selected and data printed, The eMac upstairs has the option of using the attached Epson 3 in one or doing the Flash stick work around.

I would be verya appreciative if some one took a look at the set up above and advised me of what is right, what is not right* and what to do to fix things up
I would imagine after proper set up, delete the Apple Network from the PC and eMac upstairs and ? all of the computers as we should have one base station (the D-link and the spoke (the A/E connected by UBS to the A/E (it may be ethernet but the cable connection from the A/E to the HP laser printer is correct (the rest of the A/E set up ... Please , tell me where it is and where it should be
and ? any idea why we can print to the laser printer down stairs and not up stairs ? it did mention printer set up with Panther as possible, page 43 of themanual we have un chaper 5 Tips and Troubleshooting (under whn your printer isn't responding) (we do not have the interfereance listed in the manual,
our phones are land line, one 900 mghz and the others 5.8 ghz
It is possible to move the A/E and laser printer if that would help the two computers (desktops) upstairs) bt the distance is way less than 150 but their is a floor and ? duct work (metal ) but I think here is a place to stop typing and let some of the experts on the discussion forums take a look.

one lst note (as the lap top will be going off to college in the fall (runnning Snow Leopard, and the other 3 Mac's run Panther OSX 10.3.9 should the HP PC windows Xp Professional be the computer to set up the air port express and the Airport Utility proram installed & would this conflict with the current Router (set up by a Macc running OSX 10.3.9 (Panther) i.e (should both set ups be on the same computer?) but actually aThe D-Link is OSX10.3.9 compatible (and 802.11G) and set up requires ethernet connection to a Mac (You type in the numbers and . etc and password as administror and you are in, or should the admin be on the same cpmpuer for the router and A/E ?
(and considering a Airport Extreme Base Station as well as dual frequency simulataneus and 802.11N (for the laptop now) and future, or wait. The 802.11
in theory would broadcast farther..?? even if computers had 802.11b(our Mac Desk tops and the PC 802.11B card

Thanks Again!!!

Many, Many Thanks

amnienttales

(2)eMac's,(1) Imac(partioned)HPPC/MBPro, Mac OS X (10.3.x), 3mac's OSX panther, PC Win XPPro,LaptopSnow leopard

Posted on Mar 15, 2010 12:32 AM

24 replies

Mar 21, 2010 6:02 AM in response to dwwavedsk

ambienttales wrote:
we are online now

Good.

it refused the A/E Mac address with error message "will not accept 192.168.0"

That's not a MAC address, but an IP address. MAC addresses have the form xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx, where the x's are digits or letters a through f. In general, MAC address filtering is only necessary if you're worried about unauthorized access to your network and a good WPA password doesn't seem to satisfy your concerns.

the computers discussed above are listed as DHCP clients now (in addition to being on a Mac Filter list

That's the way it works.

update to new Apple Airport Extreme Base Station

That shouldn't be necessary.

I'm not sure you did all that MAC address stuff. All I suggested you do is to configure your D-Link router to accept your AirPort unit as a WDS partner. Did you do that?

dwwavedsk Author

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Mar 21, 2010 10:54 AM in response to William-Boyd-Jr

Hi,

had on/off again internet connection issues , so once again rebooted the router
(I did research the Model of D-Link we have and others were posted as well) re: multiple times with rebooting required before will take settings of internet and devices ) So we are back online,

* I do recall that one time we set up the router (3rd party) with a eMac connected to the high speed cable modem and then router and then brought in on a table a G4 Imac Flat screen and hooked up to ? Lan port as ? cable modem goes to Wan port
and we did the router config from the Imac (a second computer wired in) and it may be that this * router requires that. I set it up again from scratch

(another frequent complaint on research) (we never had issues with a Apple Snow White half moon 802.1b base station)

it refused the A/express's Mac address when adding it as a Mac address in the Mac Filter screen (The Ip adress popped up as a error message which is unknown as to why, it took the A/Express this time though, (gremlins):)

I did Mac Filter set up as nothing else was working

* Thanks for the info that Mac Address's list also as DHCP clients*

I don't want to spend $$$ on a Airport Extreme and specs on our gear are all ovr the place

(*Believe me I did anything except stand on my head to add the A/E as a WDS partner ) * and got further in trouble using a MacBook Pro running Snow Leopard
as after all the computers were online, the lap top was not, so on reboot today I added it as a Mac Address .

I hope to set up the A/E but read that our a/E A1084 and Snow Leopard may not be conbatible (if the lap top is online ) will check that next,

Alternate is taking the A/E upstairs and plugging it in and using a HP Tower with Win XP and Bonjour and seting it up

?(Would settings be for Windows only?) or will it also when set up with a PC allow Mac's to utilize A/E when its moved back down stairs and print to it from the laser printer from computers downstairs and upstairs.

Too much detail I know but this is mind boggling (to me) or I am really doing something incorrect (quite possible) ?

When a A/E is set up/configured and then unplugged do settings
stay in the A/E or do they disapear (re: set up upstairs with HP Tower then bring it back down + ? need a Mac with OSx 10.4 > or later for set up by Mac

Very Very Much Appreciate Your Input * 🙂 despite my pitfalls in wordy, wordy 🙂

ambienttales

Message was edited by: ambienttales do to mispellings

Mar 21, 2010 12:26 PM in response to dwwavedsk

ambienttales wrote:
I did Mac Filter set up as nothing else was working

In general MAC filtering is a restrictive operation, not a permissive operation. In other words, it can prohibit a client from connecting, but can never enable a client to connect.

Please try to minimize the history recitations. It only makes it harder to find your current issues.

(*Believe me I did anything except stand on my head to add the A/E as a WDS partner )

So you're so far unable to configure your D-Link router to accept a WDS partner? I doubt there's anything more I can do for you until you're successful with that.

dwwavedsk Author

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Mar 21, 2010 6:27 PM in response to William-Boyd-Jr

🙂

I completely agree re:what You indicated re: Using a MacFilter and the

implications

But when notheing else worked, I went back through my hand written notes and

saw

I had done it in the past , and it worked then and (partially yesterday)

and today (Sunday 3/21/2010 all computers including the MacBook Pro are

online)

I may be dense but adding the A/Express as a WDS "Partner" (?) means adding it

on/in the router config to accept a WDS partner in what form (?) Client I view

like adding a computer +( *in my understanding of WDS is that correct) and

router options on WAN = (I realize you are not interested in my router but

perhaps that is where I am going down the road.

DHCP Wan Mode (which I have checked now) Static Wan Mode (which I have never

used) as well as PPoE , Dynamic Ip, Static IP and option of using Unicasting

Yes or No (our ISP sends a Dynamic ISP out) Static IP only if purchased

from ISP and our ISP with dynamic ISP adress's changes them more often now

a to interfere with bit torrents (which is fine with me as the statistic show

a high percentage of bit torrent use is for illegal use of music and software

and video stealing, even LP's (or CD's) which have yet to be released have

tracks stolen and sent out and then via bit torrents and other ways are spread

around the world, then legal injuctions are required, One was shut down and

fined it was either inAustralia or the U.K. and was sending U2's LP out prior to

release for 3-4 days when release date was weeks ahead, (yes this is irrelevant)

🙂 If You could explain WDS in its most basic form and ading a A/Express in that

manner to a existing network maybe It will sink in, I apologize for the

extreneous info I *(need a twitter account to post here 🙂 * then ? 64

charaters? ha 🙂

Peace, and Thank You, and Apples are Still the Best!(never doubted that part)

ambienttales

🙂
(:

Mar 21, 2010 7:57 PM in response to dwwavedsk

ambienttales wrote:
I may be dense but adding the A/Express as a WDS "Partner" (?) means adding it
on/in the router config to accept a WDS partner in what form

Here's how it's done with all Apple gear:

http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/DesigningAirPortNetworks0190271.pdf

See the material in that document starting on page 50.

router options on WAN

I'm not sure what you mean by "WAN", but I don't think it's the same.

dwwavedsk Author

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Mar 22, 2010 9:10 AM in response to William-Boyd-Jr

Thank You for the hyperlink to the pdf I will read it completely,

re: WAN , (our Router has sections for WAn and also LAN ) ,

On our setup -

Coaxial Cable - Motarola Surfboard modem - from Ethernet port on Cable modem -

WAN Port on DLink Router - and on Router are Lan ports (4) for wired clients

The iMac to the wireless router has a Aiport Card , the eMac's (both) have

Airport Extreme Cards, one eMac is less than 20 feet from the router, the other

is upstairs, Currently we have a ethernet cable from the iMac to a Lan port on

the wireless router (if not it will not go online (the iMac) but in theory the

iMac is wireless and should not to be connnected with any cables or am I off

track there set up wise, off to read the pdf,

Thanks Again,

David
ambienttales

dwwavedsk Author

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Apr 16, 2010 1:29 AM in response to dwwavedsk

I am going to "close this Post off as still having major issues and unknown if its a single issue or a multitude of things, I do know from checking out the D-Link Router DGL-4300 802.11g that I am not alone in my problems with configuration, I am checking out the latest Apple Extreme Base Station and Latest Airport Express versus the wireless capable units (Computers (Apple and Windows based and gaming systems) to see that all would be workable and get on line (with a dual band 802.11n Apple products ) I surrender to D-Link I do appreciate The input received (though if I may comment) the tone and wording were uncalled for and thats a personal issue of the particular responder (not everyone knows Apple A-Z and networks A-Z) hyper criticism
(all along was taken with a grain of salt and made my frustrations laughable with the replies, Cheer Up Mate!

Apr 16, 2010 8:56 AM in response to dwwavedsk

ambienttales wrote:
the tone and wording were uncalled for and thats a personal issue of the particular responder

I have several responses to that comment:

- You'll notice that no one else even bothered to reply to your posts. Perhaps that should tell you something about how your posts came across to people.

- In the months I've been frequenting this discussion board I've never seen anyone post multiple extended, rambling messages as you did.

- By asking for help here you're requesting that people spend their time on your problem with no chance to be paid. That's fine and comes with the territory, but in doing so you take on an obligation to post in such a way that you don't unnecessarily waste their time, either by (1) refraining from including redundant and/or irrelevant details, (2) refusing to supply requested information, or (3) refusing to try suggested remedies. Despite my numerous prompts, you seemed unwilling to uphold that part of the bargain.

- If you check my other posts, you'll find that nowhere else have I felt the need to encourage anyone to hold down the amount of text that they're posting.

dwwavedsk Author

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Apr 18, 2010 3:11 PM in response to William-Boyd-Jr

ambienttales wrote:
the tone and wording were uncalled for and thats a personal issue of the particular responder

(above are quotes from ambienttales)
*************************************
Below are comments from William Boyd Jr.

I have several responses to that comment:

- You'll notice that no one else even bothered to reply to your posts.
1) Agree

Perhaps that should tell you something about how your posts came across to people.
2) Irrevelant and hard to ascertain

- In the months I've been frequenting this discussion board I've never seen anyone post multiple extended, rambling messages as you did.
3) Guess call me "Crazy" or "Ramblin Man " or anything You Desire Sir

- By asking for help here you're requesting that people spend their time on your problem with no chance to be paid.
4) Absolutely True and 100% Agree, If You wanted money You Should have asked?

That's fine and comes with the territory, but in doing so you take on an obligation to post in such a way that you don't unnecessarily waste their time, either by (1) refraining from including redundant and/or irrelevant details,
5) Your Opinion Entirely, I have read I have this and fix it please I do'y know how many times on these and many forums
(2) refusing to supply requested information
6)Now I am not supplying enough information, before it was too much, ?

, or (3) refusing to try suggested remedies.
7) I did try everything You suggested and in many cases x4 or x5 and was up to 4am or 5 am working on a router (that is well documented for this behavior "read
A Tale of the D-Link DGL-4300 Router (I am not kidding) there are plenty of similiar tales and tribulations (though not similary titled)

Despite my numerous prompts, you seemed unwilling to uphold that part of the bargain.
8) I do not make bargains sorry nor were any discussed (its a Control Issue)
by someone

- If you check my other posts, you'll find that nowhere else have I felt the need to encourage anyone to hold down the amount of text that they're posting.

9) I do not have the time nor desire to read your other posts
9) a) I (on each reply , Thanked You for your input and assistance
I guess You wanted me to send you a Award Plaque or something
But I did and do appreciate your help and will solve the issue, This thread just became way to imflammatory and far beyond anything I have ever encountered on Apple.com or any forum wether Computer related, Music Related, Guitar related, DIY electronics ,Circuit Bending A-Z
I am sorry that it ended up like this
and basically amk that circuit in the D-Link DGL-4300, is the diode transposer for where data will not hold once entered and rebooted.

Best Wish's My Friend and I am Glad that such a Intelliegent Apple Guru is on the Boards willing to help and cut to threads any one who goes one step out of bounds

ambienttales

You Solved it!

Airport Express (Model with 802.11G +54MBPS Mac/PC and Set Up Issues