HFP is not what I'm looking for - had this some years ago.
With rSAP you have NO antenna active on phone and can use the (Bluetooth)phonekit with external antenna of the car.
This is much more better for reception and no dead spots were left.
It is also no problem, if there are no data stored on the SIM, because with the rSAP you can access your "normal adressbook" of the smartphone - which supports rSAP!
OldFellow wrote:
Sorry - will not agree.
For me bottom line is the rSAP support at iPhone OS!
I am sure Apple will consider your views if you give them feedback
http://www.apple.com/feedback/ Just remember that Apple are the ones who decide - we are all just users so while you can disagree, it means very little.
Personally I have no idea what the differences are, but I wouldn't hold out for it before you change cars 😉
Hey- Graham- many thanks for your hint about taht feedback-function@apple.
Didn't realise that way but will go for it.
I thought I described the difference between HFP and rSAP - here are more words in detail:
(for me) The biggest difference between both modes is the radio (send and receive function via the internal antenna) on your phone - it is turned off and inactive with rSAP and turned on AND active for HFP!
HFP is nearly the same like a bluetooth headset while rSAP is using the SIM card via bluetooth protocol directly at the phone unit of the car and you have the external antenna of the car. This gives you much more better radio reception.
maybe this misses the point of a forum discussion, but I still believe it is time to set some of the facts around rSAP straight before we continue the discussion.
I am a bit tired of reading the same misleading information again and again across different forums.
Let me debunk some of the typical Myths.
Myth 1:
rSAP is just an awkward hands-free profile nobody uses.
Truth:
rSAP is not a hands-free profile. It does not add external speakers and microphone, like a hands free device.
Instead it uses a full-blown GSM phone device, which is normally perfectly integrated into the car multi-media system, allows you to use the cars Sat-Nav touch-screen, has an external antenna, can be controlled from the steering wheel - in short everything you really want from a phone in your car.
The problem with car phones in the old days was that you had a separate address book, you mobile would ring instead of the built-in one and you needed to GSM SIMs - one for the car, one for your mobile.
rSAP allows you to use the best of both worlds: You enter the car, the built-in phone reads the latest caller lists and the SIM data, switches your GSM mobile into flight mode (data traffic could still be allowed) and when you remove the key from your car, the mobile takes over again.
Myth 2:
rSAP is used to read contacts from you Phone SIM.
Truth:
While it is possible to inlcude such a feature, the main purpose for rSAP is to read the "GSM Subscriber" information via Bluetooth to power the car's GSM device
Myth 3:
Only Nokia supports this
Truth:
While Nokia were the first to suggest and implement it, I have no issues today with the Samsung and LG phones I have, nor with the HTC Windows Mobile 6.1 device that our company still uses (Although rSAP is the only thing I like about this piece of crap)
fact is that rSAP is part of the Bluetooth 2.x specification
Myth 4:
Only German car manufacturers support this
Truth:
Well, putting in a complete 2nd GSM phone with external antenna and delivering integration into things like SatNav touchscreens is something for let's say "more advanced" vehicles. If you are a price conscious buyer and the car quality and technology is not the key factor for you, the cheap hands-free kit in your Kia with its echoes and driving noise might make the cut. Probably you don't mind the level of radio waves inside you car either.
But if you pay for the best cars that money can buy, you'll end up with upscale Japanese or most of the German brands. I personally want the best phone on the market and the best car in its class, so I have been driving Audis and BMWs for the last 10 years. And guess what - I LOVE the way that rSAP works when correctly implemented. No background noise, better reception through a booster and an external antenna and full access to my phone's address book.
So this is not a problem with german cars, but rather that the most advanced phone on the market has a huge gap supporting the most advanced car integration technology.
"His Steveness" will probably take care of it once his next AMG Merc will only be availble with a hands-free kit based on rSAP.
I've been searching around the internet for a few days since the beta release of 4.0 for information about possible rsap integration and I just have to say excellent post Maxi. You're quite right, there is so much incorrect information about rsap out there, my personal favourite is the old 'iphone doesn't store info on the sim' one. Do people even read up on bluetooth spec before they post an opinion?
I'm not going to hold my breath for rsap, rumours are pointing towards an Apple branded Car Kit being introduced based on the dock connector. Let's not forget, this product is designed in America where many companies are yet to embrace rsap, ****, the US has been years behind simple text messaging. Remember in the 90's when we first had mobile phones and you could only send an sms to someone on the same network? It didn't last for long, Europe moved on, the US was left behind again, the iphone is even yet to support simple sms delivery reports. I don't know how things are with the 3GS but my 3G has relatively poor reception compared to my old Nokia's. No automatic profile selection based on location either, the list of things not supported by the iphone is endless.
Anyway, I'm going off topic, the point I'm trying to make is that it probably won't be supported in the near future. I'm going to wait a few more weeks just in case and then go for either swapping the bluetooth module in my car or buying a second cheap phone that will work with it and just keep that in the car.
i am also upset about the fakt that the Apple iPhone does not support rSAP. I need it for my Volkswagon. A cheap Nokia phone for a few Dollars has this Protokoll. To find out more about rSAP read these two Wikipedia articels:
Ah, upscale US cars. You mean super-sized?
What was the world-famous luxury car brand from the US again? I mean the one that leads with innovation and bleeding edge technology.
