flash player with ipad on safari

Philly_Phan wrote:
I access Flash sites regularly on my Mac and I have absolutely never had a crash. I do have a weird problem with every Adobe product. When I'm finished and do a normal Quit, my Mac indirectly informs me that the application has crashed. This happens with Acrobat and every application in the CS5 suite.

That's nice for you. Flash causes both Firefox and Safari to regularly crash for me. Chrome is somewhat better. We won't even discuss what it does to the poor XP net book as that is an obviously underpowered device. But, as I've said, not too big a deal to me as very few sites I visit require it.

Meg St._Clair wrote:

Philly_Phan wrote:
I access Flash sites regularly on my Mac and I have absolutely never had a crash. I do have a weird problem with every Adobe product. When I'm finished and do a normal Quit, my Mac indirectly informs me that the application has crashed. This happens with Acrobat and every application in the CS5 suite.

That's nice for you. Flash causes both Firefox and Safari to regularly crash for me. Chrome is somewhat better. We won't even discuss what it does to the poor XP net book as that is an obviously underpowered device. But, as I've said, not too big a deal to me as very few sites I visit require it.

I use Firefox exclusively and, like I said, it never crashes. In fact, I was unaware that I was receiving Flash content until I found that I couldn't do it with the iPad. I've since done some investigation and I learned that I really need some Flash sites. If they were to cause my Mac to crash, I'd have to go out and buy a Windoze machine.

Are you referring to the Bank of America sites, etc. you listed once before?

The one where I used my iPad to go to one of them and it told me I had the wrong HTML5 players, nothing about Flash?

You could do an interesting experiment. Periodically revisit these sites with your iPad and check each one of them off as they either change their site so it doesn't require Flash and works on your iPad, or an app comes out for the specific site. And post here and let us know.

Actually, it wasn't BofA, it was Chase but you're correct - it does work with my iPad. However, that was the only one. With NJ MVC and Social Security, you can browse all day long and never realize that Flash is used unless you go to specific pages and request specific information. If you do request that info using the iPad, you can't get it. I tried each and every one of the sites that I had identified and, except for Chase, there is Flash content that is not available using the iPad.

By the way, you've said +"Everybody here would concede that Flash runs much, much better on a PC than a Mac."+ several times as I recall. I do not concede that point. It runs great on my Mac and I can not imagine how it could be better on a Windoze machine.

Message was edited by: Philly_Phan

I tried some of them also if you recall, and some of them are in rather obscure areas. And one, on the iPad, was trying to use HTML5, not Flash.

But the assignment was, if you care to accept it, to keep trying over the next 12 months and see what changes.

deggie wrote:
I tried some of them also if you recall, and some of them are in rather obscure areas. And one, on the iPad, was trying to use HTML5, not Flash.

But the assignment was, if you care to accept it, to keep trying over the next 12 months and see what changes.

Yes, some of the Flash content was in obscure areas but, if that's the content that you need, it really doesn't matter where it's located or how small it might be.

I don't remember the details of your earlier post. What do you mean "trying to use HTML5?" Did it or did it not work? Are you telling me that the iPad has a problem with HTML5?

I'll take the assignment on one condition... You and the others agree that, if I observe no change, you will then agree that Flash is an inherent characteristic of web browsing.

I will then agree it is as much an inherent characteristic of web browsing as realplayer.

Not good enough.

yeah flash and realplayer do seem to have much in common
it's a mess and hope some day we will all look back and laugh when
we had to depend on it for videos and browser games
and intros to sites we with panic in our heart look for the skip link 🙂

Philly_Phan wrote:
Actually, it wasn't BofA, it was Chase but you're correct - it does work with my iPad. However, that was the only one. With NJ MVC and Social Security, you can browse all day long and never realize that Flash is used unless you go to specific pages and request specific information. If you do request that info using the iPad, you can't get it. I tried each and every one of the sites that I had identified and, except for Chase, there is Flash content that is not available using the iPad.

By the way, you've said +"Everybody here would concede that Flash runs much, much better on a PC than a Mac."+ several times as I recall. I do not concede that point. It runs great on my Mac and I can not imagine how it could be better on a Windoze machine.

Message was edited by: Philly_Phan

Actually it is better on a Windows machine simply because of the vast availability of fast multi-core graphic cards that are easily installed on a PC, but rather impossible to install on the Mac. Why? Because Macs, unless you have a Mac Pro, comes installed with a discrete fixed and rather weak GPU. A lot of graphics features are heavily utilized on the Windows machine, whereby the GPU itself does the graphics rendering including flash video natively. I have a fast Quad Core and a powerful fast Nvidia CUDA core card. Flash is a lot faster on the PC for the price I paid and built, which is cheaper than a comparable Core i5 or i7 iMacs.

Plus, I also own an eLocity A7 Android 2.2 tablet and flash on that is fast!!It's only a 1Ghz Dual Core Nvidia Tegra 2 chip. Nor did I mention that it displays and refreshes web pages much faster than what a basic iPad can even do. And I only paid $299 US to buy it. I really like the 7 inch form factor for portability. However, nothing beats the great Mac and iOS interface Apple made for ease of use and the like.

I only got the eLocity tablet because I have to visit some flash sites for work related. The iPad replaces my laptop.

Meg St._Clair wrote:

Philly_Phan wrote:
I access Flash sites regularly on my Mac and I have absolutely never had a crash. I do have a weird problem with every Adobe product. When I'm finished and do a normal Quit, my Mac indirectly informs me that the application has crashed. This happens with Acrobat and every application in the CS5 suite.

That's nice for you. Flash causes both Firefox and Safari to regularly crash for me. Chrome is somewhat better. We won't even discuss what it does to the poor XP net book as that is an obviously underpowered device. But, as I've said, not too big a deal to me as very few sites I visit require it.

Sites that can cause crashes are sometimes suspect for Malware infection. Yes, there are some sites that can infect a computer using flash and many times when it crashes, it forces the computer to reboot. When it does, especially on the PC, it installs the malware and that's how it infects a PC computer. Sites like that crash PCs as well. However, Macs are usually spared.

While netbooks are underpowered in the past, current generation netbooks are not!
Netbooks equipped with an Nvidia ION GPU or the new AMD C-30 or C-50 Ontario APU comes with a built in Radeon GPU that speeds up video and flash. There is a definite migration towards having dedicated GPU handling flash and any video process, namely on underpowered devices like a tablet. On the Android side, the Nvidia Tegra 2 are used on some tablets to provide these accelerations.

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Coolmax wrote:
The iPad replaces my laptop.

That's pretty much my usage of the iPad. Obviously it's not a 100% replacement. I refer to it as a "cheesy laptop."

Philly_Phan wrote:
.....That's pretty much my usage of the iPad. Obviously it's not a 100% replacement. I refer to it as a "cheesy laptop."

Otoh, the interpretation is wrong. Almost laughably so.

Otoh, why on earth should anyone care?

Michael Morgan1 wrote:
Otoh, the interpretation is wrong. Almost laughably so.

No it's not.

Michael Morgan1 wrote:
Otoh, why on earth should anyone care?

The person to whom the comment was addressed probably cares. It does not matter that you don't care.

Philly_Phan wrote:

Coolmax wrote:
The iPad replaces my laptop.

That's pretty much my usage of the iPad. Obviously it's not a 100% replacement. I refer to it as a "cheesy laptop."

iPad still needs a mothership, but it takes over my day to day portable computing. If I need to browse flash sites, the eLocity A7 is there for it. I always carry both.