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I really don't know why one doesn't read other responses before piling on, either. But there you go.

Michael Spencer wrote:
I really don't know why one doesn't read other responses before piling on, either. But there you go.

I really read the entire thread and responded to your well known rant :



Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) samedi 26 juin 2010 17:04:38

Yvan,

Thanks for your input. You may be interested to know that the 'rant' in question was penned by Peter. He's mostly correct, although I do think he goes a bit too far. But still. If there is fame to be claimed here, certainly Peter's long history of helpful posts get the glory. It's people like him that lubricate our little world.

You don't do it for the salary, do you, Peter? -:)

Michael

Right, I was fooled by Greensleeves 😟

My problem with peter is linked to the fact that he's often writing that this or that is deeply burried when it is where it must be : the User Guide and that we may easily find it. Simply when he think that an info is not wher he assumed that it must be he decides that Apple made wrong job.
All of us we have different brain behaviour so, what is correct for user 1 may be wrong for an other one. This doesn't allow us to decide that it's badly done.
I'm not paid by Apple and I assume that it's the same for peter. He is free to write what he want and I'm free to do the same even if our advices are different.
He dislike macOs X. I feel that it offered a huge quality and power jump.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) samedi 26 juin 2010 21:05:33

Yvan,

Now I understand your point of view a little better.

One of the iWeb denizens–"Old Toad"–rails constantly about how poorly suited iWeb is for blogging, and how poorly it performs when using it in conjunction with MobileMe. Others, too, at least partially swayed by this view, have joined the chorus.

My own setup is exactly that–blog on iWeb, using MobileMe–and the setup could not be easier. I tell the story simply because it illustrates the point that many times personal preference is the result of, perhaps, some poor experiences.

Of course, it is the benefit of others' personal experience that is the magic of this forum, which I use constantly. And, taken in that light, one must weigh the balance of evidence, and then adapt this result to one's own needs.

In the case of Peter, undoubtedly reading this: yes, he's merciless, and, in the main, I think correctly so. I don't agree with the depth of his view, but I do see that certain functions could be made clearer. An example, of course, is my own search for linking paragraphs. Incidentally, I did search for info on this, but as is so often the case, I just didn't think of the right search term!

I am a very strong supporter of those users who clearly spend hours on this discussion board and get absolutely nothing from it other than the thrill of helping others. It is appreciated by thousands of users, no doubt. When I disagree, I say so, but I also try to be as clear as possible and to show deserved deference.

I also appreciate the elevated level of discourse on these fora.

I leave the final word to you. And, with that, perhaps this thread is finally closed!


Michael

KOENIG Yvan wrote:
He dislike macOs X. I feel that it offered a huge quality and power jump.

I do not dislike Mac OSX as such, I was a very earlier adopter (and paid the price). There are some amazing technologies in OSX, the UI that was larded on top of it however is less than stellar. And Apple was not at all honest about its failings. particularly in the earlier versions prior to Tiger.

I dislike that so many flaws and poor design choices in OSX have been left to be endured by the user.

Users had to fight Apple tooth and nail to keep even obvious good design from 2 decades of Mac OS polish. We won very few of the battles because Apple, as with the current iPhone's faults takes the attitude; "Since we obviously aren't ever wrong, +you the user must be using it wrong.+ "

As for the poor quality of the documentation and the propensity for Apple to hide tools and their real function, I have quoted line and verse on that repeatedly. I can't help that some have difficulty comprehending the issue, or simply don't care about the sloppy indifference.

Peter

I repeat that if a French user with a short knowledge of English is able to find info in the English resources, I think that a user whose English is tha main language must be able to do the same.

Just an example from this thread.

If like M. Spencer +I simply want text to flow from one page to the next, from Page 1 to Page 2. If this is possible with text boxes I sure haven't figured out how to do it. Maybe it is and maybe there's another way?+

I enter the Pages User Guide and search for a word used in the asked question : flow

The two first occurences are in page 17 and respond to the question.



So, I can't guess that someone which really searched didn't find it.

On the iphone problem.
I don't own one and will not have one because I refused to be reachable 24 hours a day.
I didn't read Apple note like you.

I understood that Apple recognize that there is a problem which will be solved and that, during the time before the soluce availability, users are urged to grab the beast in a way minimizing the oddity.
Maybe its own iphone wasn't embedding the firmware giving the poor reception, maybe he had put a piece of scotch on it to be free of the problem. I don't know but Steve Jobs himself was holding the thing the 'wrong' way during its keynote.

Two days ago, I had a new proof of the fact that Apple is able to listen to users.

I received my iMac. It was delivered with 10.6.2 installed.
I didn't tested it and applied immediately the 10.6.4 combo updater and, when I ran it, I was pleased to discover that, at last they behaved as if they took care of my numerous reports on this pont : the curly quote feature embedded in the operating system (not the one embedded in iWork) is able to give me the correct French quotes :
LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK plus SPACE
SPACE plus RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK

As they missed that for years, I feel that reporting the problem several times made the point.

And it's just one example among others. For this one I never received a message saying that it was under non-disclosure agreement. For others, I did and when I play a game, I apply the rules 😉

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 27 juin 2010 17:18:06

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 27 juin 2010 16:56:04

That they "fixed" your problem after several years shows that they are responsive?

They have not fixed any of the multiple problems I have raised with them. Some of them going back to Mac OSX 10.0 (now ten years ago). One at least which is very serious.

Others such as .eps conversion problems in Preview, have progressively got worse with every OS release.

Apple is arrogant and really does not care too much for views that don't simply agree with its "Vision" no matter how well thought through and how carefully explained. In my experience they will make claims that can be demonstrated to be self contradictory, their response is to then change the subject.

Peter

It appears that I have more luck than you.

To get a soluce, we must have a report which is read by someone which may understand that the described problem is important.
As most of my reports are about localization oddities, it's often difficult to get such a reader.

I'm remembering of one problem striking in Jaguar from original version to the last one.
It was reported in the two months after the original delivery but was solved only in Tiger.
So I never knew if it was 'corrected' or if it 'disappeared' when building the new OS.

I'm a bit surprised by what you wrote, mainly if it's a technical problem (but most of the time, here you are reporting GUI features which you dislike) but, *_I don't feel allowed to name you a liar_*.

About the .eps behaviour in Preview, I have no advice: I don't use Preview.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 28 juin 2010 16:13:18

KOENIG Yvan wrote:
It appears that I have more luck than you.
*_I don't feel allowed to name you a liar_*.

Why should you other than you wish to have your fingers in your ears because you don't like what you hear?

From experience the detailed description of the demonstrated problem, will be:

1. Ignored

2. Rationalised away

3. Censored

btw It involves delayed inaccurate screen update in Finder so you will never have seen it here.

P.

I'm aware of the fact that the Finder is often slow.
In folders in which this feature bothers me, I installed a short AppleScript which I trigger to force the Finder to update the display.

When I write AppleScripts, I take care to use the Finder only when there is no alternative.
Setting the location of a Finder window or the location of an icon or defining the color of a label are the three tasks which can't be done without the Finder.
For other ones, I use System Events or shell scripts.
The speed is really impressive.
For most tasks, the Finder is a GUI upon the tools which are really doing the job. Trigerring these tools directly is more efficient.

As you see, I don't write that the behaviour doesn't exist.
As an user like you, I may just explain why it strikes.
I'm perfectly unable to decide if the Finder's behaviour may be enhanced or if it is already behaving as fast as it may.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mardi 29 juin 2010 20:40:59