Updating from Tiger to Snow Leopard without buying the Mac Box Set

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My sister already has iLife 09 so I could borrow it and simply buy Snow Leopard.

I hope she bought the family license and you are in the same household. Otherwise we can't answer that question.

Hello z:

Welcome to Apple discussions.

This is the link to the Apple Store OS X 10.6 page in this site:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573Z/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY

You will note that Apple says that the upgrade is for OS X 10.5 users.

The web site has specific license agreement information.

Barry

Barry Hemphill wrote:
You will note that Apple says that the upgrade is for OS X 10.5 users.

Note that this does not say Snow Leopard is not an upgrade for 10.4 users.

It also says that "the Mac Box Set is the best way to upgrade your Mac experience, especially if you’re still using Mac OS X Tiger." But it does not say the Mac Box Set is the only way.

To use Snow Leopard your Mac must meet the system requirements (an Intel Mac with at least 1 GB of memory, at least 5GB of available disk space, & a DVD drive for installation) & the licensing requirements set forth in the EULA. You can view that online at http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf. Note that the document covers three different license types.

iLife & iWork each also have their own EULA's, online versions at http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/ilife09.pdf & http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iwork09.pdf respectively.

The Mac Box Set is simply these three separate products in the same box. There is no difference in the EULA's. Whether you buy them separately or as a set, you still must meet the licensing requirements of each product separately.

R C-R:

Barry Hemphill wrote:

You will note that Apple says that the upgrade is for OS X 10.5 users.

Note that this does not say Snow Leopard is not an upgrade for 10.4 users.

Did you read item C from the license link you posted (underline was added for emphasis)?

Leopard Upgrade Licenses. If you have purchased an Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard license, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer _as long as that computer has a properly licensed copy of Mac OS X Leopard already installed on it._ If you have purchased a Family Pack Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard license, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple-branded computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household (as defined above), are used by persons who occupy that same household, and each such computer has a properly licensed copy of Mac OS X Leopard already installed on it. The Family Pack Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard License does not extend to business or commercial users.

The OP asked about using the upgrade (and, obviously, try to avoid buying the box set) to move from OS X 10.4 to OS X 10.6. I mentioned the license agreement to allow the OP to make their own decision.

Barry

Did you read item C from the license link you posted (underline was added for emphasis)?

Sure. Do you see that it applies only to _Leopard Upgrade Licenses_ ? You cannot purchase an +Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard+ license from any retail source, including any Apple Store. It is available only directly from Apple to qualified buyers, for instance as part of the now expired Snow Leopard Up-to-Date program.

At the Apple Store page, you have only two retail purchase options: the Single User or the Family Pack versions, for which clause 2A or 2B applies respectively.

Note that if clause 2C applied to retail purchases then it would prohibit Tiger users from using either the stand alone Snow Leopard product or the Mac Box Set since neither one includes a properly licensed copy of Mac OS X Leopard.

Amazon has box set for family with all iWork/iLife for almost the same price as the single user box set. And about $60 less than the $200+ on Apple Store for 5 users (heck if it was only for 3 users it would be a good value).

http://www.amazon.com/Mac-Family-Pack-Snow-Leopard/dp/B002I0HK9Y/

zofia11 ,

I did the Box Set upgrading from 10.4.11.

I didn't have a problem and my thinking was very deep, "just do it".

I kinda like being in control of my own stuff, not having to rely on others, even a sister.

I also got mine from Amazon.

Note that if clause 2C applied to retail purchases then it would prohibit Tiger users from using either the stand alone Snow Leopard product or the Mac Box Set since neither one includes a properly licensed copy of Mac OS X Leopard.

Overall I agree with you, R C-R. However, the fact that it doesn't include a copy of Leopard wouldn't matter if the license in the boxed set allowed installation without owning Leopard. However, it should be noted that the license is identical in both. Both have exactly the same set of legalese regulating their use, so both can be installed in exactly the same circumstances. If one can't be installed over Tiger, neither can, and likewise if one can be installed, so can the other.

I get a kick out of this debate everytime I see it discussed. Obviously, to me, Apple has seen fit to let this all remain ambiguous. If a person can walk into an Apple Store and buy the $29 SL disk and upgrade from Tiger, and Apple allows this to happen, then who are we to question them. The buyer is not really doing anything except making a legitimate purchase. If it works, it works.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly does it say on the outside of the $29 SL box, I've never looked at one?

Regards,
Steve M.

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Thomas A Reed wrote:
However, the fact that it doesn't include a copy of Leopard wouldn't matter if the license in the boxed set allowed installation without owning Leopard. However, it should be noted that the license is identical in both. Both have exactly the same set of legalese regulating their use, so both can be installed in exactly the same circumstances. If one can't be installed over Tiger, neither can, and likewise if one can be installed, so can the other.

Not only is the EULA identical for both, it is furnished only in electronic form on the product DVD, which is the same in both products.

I really don't understand the continued confusion about this. The Mac Box Set is literally a set of three individual products in the same outer box, one of which is the same Snow Leopard product you can buy separately.

Steve M. wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what exactly does it say on the outside of the $29 SL box, I've never looked at one?

Nowhere on the box is it identified as an "upgrade." Neither is there any mention of needing to own any previous OS version. In the U.S. at least, there is a sticker on the end of the box with the product bar code. The phrase "Mac OS X V10.6 RETAIL" appears on the original version of that sticker (which is what I have). I assume the version number is updated to reflect the newer version (10.6.3?) now available.

There is a "Requirements" paragraph printed on one edge, but it is just the same system requirements statement seen on the Apple Store page (5 GB HD space, 1 GB memory, etc.) -- there is no mention whatsoever of Tiger, Leopard, or any other OS.

Sounds like a slam dunk case closed to me. There's no ambiguity at all about that and there should be no cause for any confusion among buyers at all. Thanks for the info!

Regards,
Steve M.

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zofia11 wrote:
Yeah...I've figured that out. I think she has the single user license but I'm not sure. If it was the family one it would be written somewhere wouldn't it?

It would be written on the end of the box it came in & on the sales receipt.