Safari 5 Fullscreen?

I went to Firefox, hit Shift+F and saw no miracle. I see a lot of functions in Safari that Firefox doesn't have. Things that are useful. So if you just want to complain about some useless feature that Firefox has that doesn't seem to do anything just go ahead and use Firefox. I see a lot of useful features that Safari has that Firefox doesn't.

You Can do this.. Press the command, option and D keys at the same time. This will hide your dashboard. Now Drag the bottom right hand corner of the Safari screen to the bottom of the macs screen. Voila.. To bring your dashboard back use the aforementioned key strokes. Also while the dashboard is hidden you can point your cursor at the bottom of the screen and the dashboard will pop up.

I can understand your frustration here, and everyone thinks they are right. However, an option to take the browser into a full screen mode is a standard feature of Firefox and IE. In fact IE had it first.

There seems to me two arguments here. Full screen vs a real maximize feature. I think both are sorely lacking in Safai.

As mentioned before, in Firefox a certain key combination will take you into a full screen mode where the entire screen, minus any tool bars or menu bar, is displayed, allowing you to see much more of the web page you are visiting. This same function exists in IE br pressing either F11 or F12, do not remember exactly which one. Since this has been there since v4 of IE and I don't know what version of Firefox, this could definitely be considered by most users to be a standard feature of a browser.

Now to Maximize. And this is where Apple really should swallow their pride and follow the same UI conventions as everyone else. In any other browser, indeed any other non apple app, pressing the maximize button in an app will make that app fill all available screen space. This is the same in Windows, Linux, and Mac OS. Only Apple does not follow this method. Is it right or is it wrong? Who is to say... But it is considered by almost any user to be a given, no matter the OS they are using.

I think the arguments for and against something almost always break down to who thinks they are more right and more wrong.

As someone who does IT support for a living, I have had to realize that even if it is wrong, it may be right if all your users have come to expect it to operate in just that way. In which case you have to evaluate what you consider right vs wrong and re-adjust to the user's expectation.

Why does a browser have to go full screen...? Why are people demanding this? Because it it looks cool... Give me a break and get a life. IT support, I'm very impressed....

I am sorry if my post upset you. I was simply trying to engage in an intelligent discourse with other users on a feature that some think is lacking from Safari.

Obviously no one persons opinion is any more valid then anothers, including your own. As to whether I need to get a life. I have one thank you very much, and for the most part I am happy with it.

And thank you, I am very proud of my 15 plus years supporting and helping users get the most out of their computers.

As to whether such a function is only there to look cool or not belies the fact that to some it actually makes the browser more functional for their needs. Some have smaller screens then others and having as much screen space as possible when browsing a web site these days is of paramount importance to some. So I do not believe the feature being requested is as frivolous and you might think it is.

Now, I happen to like Safari, and most of Apple's products for that matter. I also believe there is always room to improve.

Remember when Apple said that no one needed Cut, Copy and Paste on an iPhone, or MMS messaging for that matter. They of course later listened to their customers and where quick to tout these features as new additions in iOS 3.

Change happens because people request it, demand it, or make it so.

There is a favorite quote of mine from George Bernard Shaw that states all progress is the result of the unreasonable man. I think that applies twice as much when it comes to technology.

Sorry, the get a life was for everyone. These forums are for technical help. Not for whining about why this doesn't do that...

Thank you for the apology, and it is accepted.

I agree that these forums are for all of us to attempt to help each other with issues that we have.

Perhaps the best we can do is offer people a link to Apple's feedback system and hope that some QA person at Apple is actually reading the suggestions that come into that system.

We are a community here, and not everyone is going to agree on everything. It does not help to attack someone else's viewpoint though to make it seem trivial when to that person it may well be a very important issue for them.

I have never understood the arguments against adding a feature. As long as that new feature is not mandatory and is user selectable, what is the harm?

I am sure we could comb these forums and find many examples of users asking for a feature that to them would be very helpful and then find 20 or more responses from others saying "that's stupid, I would never use it, so you don't need it either".

I guess I had hoped that the user's of Apple products where a little more caring and not as judgmental as the users I see on the forums for any number of MMORPG games.

It sounds like there is some heat going back an forth in this debate.

Mt two cents would say the ability to go to full screen in a single click is very core feature set of a browser.

I meet with clients and designers etc. Frequently I will meet off site and be displaying web sites or other content on a computer. Typically, I have the computer off to the side of me so that my audience can see the screen well. It can be a little harder to navigate or type than when you sitting squarely in front of the keys.

The bottom line is that I like to be able to go full screen so that I can simplify the view for others and not have to fuss with scrolling laterally, or accidentally clicking on a window in the background, etc.

**Best solution that I have found is a small java script that you add to your favorites bar that maximizes your window.

See here:
http://www.jydesign.com/safari/index.html
Actual javascript:
javascript:self.moveTo(0,0);self.resizeTo(screen.availWidth,screen.availHeight);

Cheers - Emmett

I meant to say when you are NOT sitting squarely in front of the keys it can be harder to navigate the machine etc... EM

That's fill or max screen size not full screen, not the same. Full screen has nothing but the body of the HTML.

I just googled in to find out if a Full Screen feature is somewhere I missed looking in Safari 5.
So the OP's "whining" and starting this thread let me settle the matter, and I found that helpful.

I was surprised, but not too surprised, that Safari still doesn't Full Screen. It's an Apple move if you think about it.

If you have an interesting display resolution...for whatever reason...you can really miss the feature. For free, I find you can make do with the megazoomer SIMBL plug-in for full-screen Cocoa, with the *Invisible Status Bar* Safari extension.

(I switched back from Chromium. I like Safari's bookmark editor, and really dislike Chrome/Chromium's non-native layout-based editor-thing. Safari 5 adding extensions to the mix brings me back for now.)

Why the crap are people so snippy? Get over it and be mature instead of going "Bye." But yes, fullscreen is something that would be nice in Safari, but I guess I just download Glims.

Hey there. Looking at the feature list for Safari 5, I totally expected full-screen viewing too.

Did some looking around ( http://www.apple.com/safari/whats-new.html#reader), and when Safari detects an online article, a "Reader" icon will appear in the address bar. It then does this little Light-Boxey type deal to bring up the article and the article alone. No ads. No junk.

So ya... it's not fullscreen (which should be in Safari. I mean, come on...), but it's still kinda, umm... "cute".

This is not a Safari issue. It is an Apple design configuration. If you open Number, Keynotes, Page or pretty much any Apple application, Apple calculates the size of the window based on the information being displayed and adjusts the window size accordingly. The only way to make it full size within standard Apple functionality is to grab the bottom right corner and drag it. Whether one likes this "feature", of course, is a different question.

As an aside, people use the Apple forum to get help. Part of the unofficial code for the forum is respect. Try not to be so snippy with everyone.

In Safari 5, has anyone tried command-control-f? That seems to be the closest thing to fullscreen that Safari does. May not be what the OP had in mind but at least it works.