27-inch / 27" iMac Random Shut down

SPECS:____________________________________________________________________________
• 27" 2.8 GHz Intel Core i7 / 8gig / 1TB
• OS 10.6.3 (about to update to 10.6.4)
• All firmware updates have been applied according to software update
• 3 external drives: 1-320 gig 800fw / 1-TB USB 2.0 / 1-500gig USB 2.0

INFORMATION:____________________________________________________________________

I've been running with this configuration ( 3 extra drives) since approximately December with no issues. Out of the blue... only running Aperture and Safari - my iMac JUST SHUTS off- WITHOUTwarning. It acted as though I was running a MacBook and the battery going dead/asleep. That's how random and sudden it shut down - NO WARNING. I did have the iMac asleep for about three hours before coming back to it to start working again when it shut down, but it should have even been cool.

I only started reading around on the web to see of other incidents after this random shut down this evening, but I can't find anything specific. I've found A LOT of similar things - all seemingly related to "HEAT."

And heat seems to be a certain issue recently - in the last day or two. Today I noticed my top back side to be hot, which isn't uncommon, however, it became so hot I really wasn't able to keep my hand on the top back. I've also noticed A LOT of spinning beach balls, and lots of processor delay! Heat??

There are NO energy saver pref's set to automatically shut it down. The power was and is firmly set. There are no network settings, nor access to the iMac to have it shut down. It is not shared with anyone on the network.

SUMMARY:___________________________________________________________________________

• Today, I grabbed a couple temp / monitor widgets and am trying to watch the data. All components seem to be at/around/below 140 degrees F with ambient air at 77 degrees. I don't know numbers, but that all seems reasonable.
• Going to update to OS 10.6.4 (doubt that's it!!)
• I'm going to run the hardware test from my disc to see if ANYTHING. 8-p
• AND... I'm going to call Apple to set up a case. It's still full under warranty, and I have 2 more years of AppleCare on it. But there's been too many things pointing to hardware to call this a software issue.

I've dodged all the display issues with my iMac, but now.. I'm a bit hacked knowing how much I spent on this thing, with the initial DELAYS I went through, ordering it before it had even been released!

?? QUESTION ??_____________________________________________________________________

So, has anyone else been having this issue, heard of a solution, seen anything on Apple's website of known issues ??

Barry
( Grumbling bout my Mac)

Which one of twelve??, Mac OS X (10.5.6), ever hear Newton?!! ;-) One of those, too!

Posted on Jun 22, 2010 8:59 PM

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Jun 14, 2011 9:10 PM in response to DeltaHorse

I've had the Mushkin memory for 11 days now and absolutely no issues🙂 Mushkin Hynix seems totally fine.

I've being doing a whole pile of crap in Win 7 (Parallels 6) also installed Ubuntu version 11.04 with the latest update from Parallels. Everything is working perfect! Also did a bunch of photo editing in Aperture 3 and watched

an HD movie on Netflixs. Didn't close any programs, just ran everything to see if I could crash and burn..... but nothing. I'm now a very happy camper! Thanks to Mushkin for great customer service and support!😍

Jun 20, 2011 5:47 AM in response to Berry with an A

Actually, what I have seen so far is three different kinds of causes to the sudden shutdown syndrome.


1 - incompatible RAM with 16GB installed. Reducing to a total 14GB helped.


2 - Bad power supply - often accompanied by faint sparkling noise - replacing power supply helped.


3 - iMac with unknown problem as the one I am currently sitting in front of. I have replaced the logicboard, the power supply, the harddisk, the ram and nothing so far has eliminated the cause.


Even worse, I CAN make it shutdown when I open iTunes and browse around (without even playing a song). It shuts down every time. It also does this on a clean system with just a few songs imported freshly from CD.


The console/log attribute "previous shutdown cause" always is -128, which means the SMC doesnt know why it shut down.


I am pressing apple to take the imac back for refund as no one seems to be able to find a fix.

Jun 21, 2011 11:49 AM in response to MikeSprecher

I think I would be having Apple replace that iMac, unfortunately it sounds like a Monday Mac. You really have nothing left to replace! I went through two sets of memory before this one worked fine, this was of no fault of Apple though, just bad chips on the memory stick. Mushkin was able to resolve the issue.


Good luck with getting Apple to exchange, hopefully you have warranty or extended warranty.

Jun 29, 2011 4:50 AM in response to MikeSprecher

Just to add my own confusion to the issue - got 2 i7 iMacs one of them has the shutdown problem and the other one doesn't. Both have 16GB Crucial memory which I have tried in all the possible combinations and the iMac that shuts down still does with the other being unaffected. Both are run on APC UPSs (power here in Spain is not the best I have ever encountered). The offending iMac has been to the local Apple agent and they weren't able to reproduce the problem so I am now starting the process with Apple for a warranty replacement/repair (don't care which).


Irritatingly the iMac that doesn't shut down is now with Apple because it has the wobbly screen/hangs on screen-saver problem.

Jun 29, 2011 4:59 AM in response to DeltaHorse

Just wanted to report that I've had no problems so far with the ram I purchased from macsales.com. So it looks like OWC and Mushkin are the safe bets here, although it seems evident from the last poster's comments that the issue isn't necessarily related to the brand of third party RAM used. In any case, I'm glad to finally have the full 16GB upgrade without the hassle. Good thing about macsales.com is they deliver internationally and their customer service is very good.

Jun 29, 2011 5:04 AM in response to martynb4

I've been running with 16 GB for about a month now, with no random shutdowns. I have manually done a few shutdowns my self, but so far I have not ran into any issue.. So it seams the solution to this 16gb issue, is Either it has to be samsung, or Hynix branded chips (Which Mushkin and OCW i believe uses). I would contact Crucial and talk with them, since it sounds like you just need to get replacement ram.

Jul 8, 2011 9:15 AM in response to coolfonz

if your mac is still on warranty you should not pay anything, the shop where you got it should give you new RAM (I got Samsung) for your computer. it'll take 5 minutes to replace it.

BTW, apple should change all the defective Rams are around, as they did with the G4 ibook batteries some years ago that they were getting fire spontaneously.

Jul 9, 2011 1:37 PM in response to anjosef

I'm disappointed to report I too added my name to the list in hopes if enough of us complained, Apple would correct the problem.


Like others, I experience random shutdowns regardless of application in Mac or Windows (Bootcamp) and independent of memory configuration. Shutdowns are more common on Windows when I run my CAD program, but still occur randomly and frequently on the Mac side.


I bought my maching Dec 2010 and experienced random shutdowns the first day and at least once/day everday since. This is a rude awakening for a 20-year windows veteran who decided to convert to Mac.


One thing I've noticed is after each random shutdown, I am able to reboot easily and immediately. If I re-open the application(s) I opened before the crash, the Mac mysteriously remembers where I was (all applications) even if I was logged in to a webpage.


I use a USB Passport for backup (to share files with my Windows side). After a random shutdown, the drive disappears and it takes a couple minutes for the iMac to find it again.


I'm severely disappointed in my new and expensive iMac (still paying for it) and patiently await a solution.


Here are my system specs.


Model Name: iMac

Model Identifier: iMac11,3

Processor Name: Intel Core i7

Processor Speed: 2.93 GHz

Number Of Processors: 1

Total Number Of Cores: 4

L2 Cache (per core): 256 KB

L3 Cache: 8 MB

Memory: 16 GB

Processor Interconnect Speed: 4.8 GT/s

Boot ROM Version: IM112.0057.B00

SMC Version (system): 1.59f2

Jul 9, 2011 1:49 PM in response to architextus

How did you get 16 GB of ram. Did you add it yourself, or was it apple provided? If you added it yourself, what was the brand? And like many of us, If you added it yourself, Call up the manufacture (OCW, Mushkin for example). Explain the problem your having and they should be able to send you ram that wont cause the shutdown.

If the ram was apple provided, I would contact apple and mention the problem (and this disscussion), chances are they probably will just swap out the ram.



It would be nice to know who's at fault. Is it the manufacture's, trying to create cheap ram? Or Did apple give faulty information? At least at the moment there does seam to be a fix, its just a matter of getting the defective ram off the 'shelves'...

Jul 10, 2011 10:54 AM in response to architextus

I've installed 16 GB Mushkin Hynix memory, been running for over a month now, (installed around 3rd June)

The only restart is to install updates. I've had this computer for almost 1 year, purchased on-line 18 Aug. I have not had a single issue except for the memory which is really no fault of Apple or Mushkin. Mushkin was quick to resolve the issue, it took two shipments of memory but in the end I was happy with the service.

If your computer(s) are having issue with the memory that shipped WITH IT then you need to contact Apple directly. Memory can go bad, i.e. power serge, faulty components. Please keep in mind that Apple has fewer faulty components and a higher standard then the industry norm. This is why we pay more, if you would like a $500 computer then by a Dell or other crap from the big box stores. I've been working in this industry for the past 16 years, done warranty repair for Apple, HP, Compaq, Dell, Motorola, the best is Apple! Sure they're not without

fault but they are better then $500 boat anchors.

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