How to Download Full High Sierra Installer from App Store?

I’m currently running High Sierra on a mid 2010 macbook. According to system software update, I have no pending updates and am up to date. App store updates confirms this when I’m logged in to app store.

I want to create a bootable usb to clean install my current OS (High Sierra) on a new ssd. I’ve tried about ten times to download the High Sierra Installer from the app store (redirected from link on Apple’s official support page for ‘Creating Installation Media’, since searching for High Sierra installer within app store yields zero results, but that’s a different discussion...), and each time I end up with a 19 mb stub file instead of the full installer...


So I guess my first question is: Why?


Why am I unable to download the full installer needed to create a bootable usb for an operating system that I am currently running on a machine that supports it? Am I missing some key, hidden update that I need before I can download the full installer? Or is the full installer just not even a possibility anymore when downloading from app store.


Unfortunately, my macbook didn’t make the cut for Mojave, so that is not an option. And I think that it’s silly that I would need to reesort to a third party patch tool in order to download what I need in order to create the necessary installation media (again, for an operating system that I already have installed on my machine!).


Can anyone help? Please?


Thanks.

MacBook, macOS 10.13

Posted on Jun 24, 2019 4:35 PM

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Sep 21, 2019 11:14 AM in response to ednarcoleptic

I have MacBook Mid 2010 running macOS 10.13.6, and I plan to put a SSD in it to give it a few extra years in light use for the family or relatives (I also have Mac mini Late 2009 needing SSD update).


In April 2018 I successfully downloaded and archived macOS 10.13.4-17E199 full installer from App Store. I also archived all downloadable updaters to macOS 10.13.6 so basically I'm all set. Until the installers' certificates expire, that is.


https://tidbits.com/2016/03/02/previously-downloaded-os-x-installers-no-longer-work/


But after April 2018 the macOS 10.13 High Sierra download repeatedly gives only the small stub installer. I would still like to have an option to make a bootable newer version flash drive, if possible.


(BTW I can still successfully download full installers of OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion and OS X 10.11 El Capitan from their App Store's Purchased tab).


Now, this is not a very big deal: even if all I had was a MacBook Mid 2010 or Mac mini Late 2009 with a broken disk, I could use (Option-)Command-R and install using internet recovery (I tested and it works even with the Mac mini 2009). But I'd prefer an off-line installer because such large internet downloads are unpredictable and take lots of time.


At the moment "macadmin-scripts" seems to be the best workaround to prepare an off-line installer (you must run it on hardware compatible with the version of macOS for which you are attempting to obtain an installer although you may also have success running the script in a VM).


https://github.com/munki/macadmin-scripts


Basically you just click the green "Clone or download" button on that page to download ZIP, expand it, and drag "installinstalmacos.py" in it to the Terminal window (make sure to set the correct path). Answer which version you want and after a while a .dmg with the full installer is in the in your home folder (or in some other working directory):


sudo python /path/to/installinstalmacos.py


Also "macOS High Sierra Patcher" can download macOS 10.13 High Sierra full installer. But there are some aspects I don't like:


I do trust the developer but it isn't as transparent as "macadmin-scripts" to show what tools are used and where it downloads the software from.


At least with my setup the download repeatedly failed a few times until it finally somehow succeeded (the same thing happened during a few days time).


Currently it still downloads 1+ year old macOS 10.13.6-17G65 while "macadmin-scripts" downloads current macOS 10.13.6-17G66 from Jan 2019.


BTW the build number of the OS is at the ProductBuildVersion inside /System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist in the mounted BaseSystem.dmg. You can use the GUI or the following commands to show the version number (make sure to set the correct path):


hdiutil attach "/path/to/Install macOS High Sierra.app/Contents/SharedSupport/BaseSystem.dmg"

cat "/Volumes/OS X Base System/System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist"


And finally, at least on my Mac mini Late 2009 the prepared flash installer did boot OK but the patched High Sierra install failed to boot (SIP disabled, Mac OS Extended (Journaled), post install patches applied and caches rebuilt. This is not a high priority to me so I did not ask the developer about it).


http://dosdude1.com/highsierra/


http://osxdaily.com/2017/09/27/download-complete-macos-high-sierra-installer/


All other methods currently only download the small stub macOS 10.13 High Sierra installer:


Fail: App Store download using up-to-date macOS 10.11.6/10.13.6 logged in or out to App Store without or with Shift/Option key and/or using "sudo softwareupdate --clear-catalog" and/or setting DNS to 8.8.8.8.


Fail: Download the stub installer, use it to download the missing "/macOS Install Data", copy its contents to the stub installer's "Install macOS High Sierra.app/Contents/SharedSupport", using Apple recommended Terminal command make a bootable flash drive which boots OK. But when actually trying to install, the installer stops to error "The installer resources were not found". Also VMware Fusion refuses to install from it. Maybe the downloaded files should be processed further with this method?


I don't know why App Store currently hides versions like macOS 10.13 High Sierra and downloads the stub installer. Maybe Apple wants to steer users to the Internet Recovery using Mac HW as a big dongle instead making off-line installers easily available.

Aug 19, 2019 4:06 PM in response to jebrick

Well, I wouldn’t say that it’s useless; you CAN successfully install the OS if you launch the stub installer, choose target disk, download the rest of the installer package components, restart and then install. Or...


You can launch stub installer, download the installer package components, quit the installer when it prompts for restart, and then create/recreate the missing ‘SharedSupport’ folder absent in the ‘Contents’ folder of the actual stub installer—which is what is needed in order to actually create a full, bootable installer—copy the files that you downloaded (found in a folder named Install mac OS, which can be found inside your user folder after download is complete), paste into the folder you created inside stub installer (‘SharedSupport’), then run the terminal commands for creating install media...


Hopefully it works.


Clearly Apple no longer wants you to be able to create a full installer. They just haven’t told you yet; and maybe never will.


😂

Aug 21, 2019 8:01 AM in response to ednarcoleptic

In theory you download a full High Sierra installer from the Mac App Store. It is not listed anymore because Apple are encouraging people to use Mojave instead. There is an Apple KB article which however provides a direct link to the (hidden) item on the Mac App Store.


How to upgrade to macOS High Sierra - Apple Support


Scroll down to item 4 in the above document.


Of course as others have pointed out sometimes this results in only getting a 'stub' installer which is not suitable for then creating a bootable USB drive installer.


The way that I have found that is consistently able to download full installers is to run installinstallmacos.py as per


https://github.com/munki/macadmin-scripts


Ideally you run this on the Mac model you want to install on to.

Aug 22, 2019 5:20 AM in response to jebrick

Jebrick — dosdude1’s patcher tool for mac os mojave worked for me (full installer downloaded via patcher application inside of dosdude1’s application). Before you even attempt to download the application, you need to make sure that SIM (System Integrity Protection) is disabled on your machine:

https://www.imore.com/how-turn-system-integrity-protection-macos


Download the application, install it, and then use the patcher tool ( ‘download mac os high sierra’). You do NOT download the installer from the app store.




Aug 22, 2019 6:24 AM in response to ednarcoleptic

The installinstallmacos.py as per


https://github.com/munki/macadmin-scripts


Does not require turning SIP off. You run the above script and choose the installer to download, it downloads it and builds a disk image. When finished you can mount the disk image and use the standard Apple command to build a USB bootable installer or you can copy the installer from the disk image to your Applications folder and then do this.

Jun 30, 2019 3:40 PM in response to BDAqua

The High Sierra stub installer/full installer plot thickens...


I talked to someone from Apple support re: creating bootable installer in relation to installation of new ssd. Really nice guy, suggested three different options for installing, but strongly suggested using Recovery/reinstall. As far as the stub vs. full installer saga in relation to creating a bootable usb, he seemed as confused as me. He did tell me that downloading the stub will not ‘install’ anything but allow the continuation of download of rest of package/installer (i.e. the required files needed for installation).


This makes sense in a roundabout kind of way, as I’ve read similar suggestions on other forums for ‘recreating’ the full installer in order to create bootable usb (with the additional step of creating a folder named ‘SharedSupport’ inside the root ‘Contents’ folder of stub installer, and pasting the downloaded package files into the newly created ‘SharedSupport’ folder). Then it would be POSSIBLE to create bootable media (via command line or other method like Disk Maker).


So perhaps there is no more full installer to download, in which case Apple needs to revise their support page for ‘How to Create a Bootable USB’.

Aug 21, 2019 10:31 AM in response to John Lockwood

Yes, it’s all quite interesting isn’t it...the stub installer/full installer debate. The re-direct from Apple support page on upgrading to high sierra redirects to the ‘hidden’ page in app store where one can download the installer that Apple makes available. It isn’t SOMETIMES the stub installer; it’s ALWAYS the stub installer...


And if Apple support redirects to the server that hosts the installer (Apple’s server), and the only installer that is accessible is a stub installer, I think that it’s reasonable to assume that Apple no longer makes full installers available via app store, which makes the directions on their official support page on creating a bootable installer incorrect. You can’t create bootable media if you don’t have the required package components. And the required package components are not included in the stub installer that they make available via app store.

Aug 21, 2019 11:08 AM in response to ednarcoleptic

So you have been going on about this for two months now, if you download and run the patch tool

that you have mentioned before and strangely not tried you get the full installer. The patcher app

downloads direct from Apples servers, so it is safe.

You can bang on about how stupid the whole stub installer debacle is, but Apple will do nothing about it

because they can't admit they are wrong.

Jul 8, 2019 9:21 PM in response to BDAqua

So one more final update for anyone who is interested. Coming back around full circle to why I wanted to create a bootable usb installer of mac os high sierra in the first place...


I realized that my successful restore—via time machine—was not completely successful after all. My full system image back up restored without an OS X Recovery partition. I’m not sure why this happened; possibly because I restored to an external ssd drive that, while properly formatted as Mac OS Extended (Journaled), did not yet have an actual installation of os high sierra to restore on top of (again, using the stub installer to download rest of package and then install to target disk external ssd did not work)...


So, I swapped in the ssd in place of old hdd, downloaded and ran stub installer, which downloaded the rest of installer package, and (finally!) installed successfully (and yes, the installer did automatically convert to APFS during installation process).


By the way, I’d love to know if anyone has successfully downloaded the ‘full’ mac os high sierra installer from app store? Go ahead and try, please. I dare you (psst...there is no more full installer in app store)!



Jul 12, 2019 6:04 AM in response to BDAqua

Strange that Time Machine does not have a function to back up Recovery partition, as well. I guess the somewhat flawed reasoning behind this would be something like:


If you are currently running a full installation of mac os (Lion or later), then you already have a functional—yet hidden—Mac OS X Recovery partition that you can always access in case something does go wrong, so there is no need to copy/back up?


...That is, until you accidentally wipe your whole drive (with hidden recovery partition in tow).


...Or as was the case with my installation woes, you are installing new hard drive/ssd and run into an issue w/ the actual re-installation of said operating system onto new disk. And since I hadn’t made a full system image back up with something like Carbon Copy Cloner—which does have the ability to copy/back up Mac OS X Recovery partition—I used Time Machine to restore the most recent mac os high sierra back up onto new ssd, in order to then be able to complete full installation by downloading STUB installer and running...


You know, since I was never actually able to create that “FULL” high sierra installer via bootable usb because I wasn’t ever able to successfully download the FULL installer from app store (because it is not IN app store!)...


Like why would I ever need to have a bootable usb installer that has all of the OS components, including Mac OS X Recovery, right?


Anyway, for anyone that might need, or just WANT to (because that is still is a perfectly legitimate reason, as far as I’m concerned...Apple!) clone Mac OS Recovery partition, it can be accomplished through use of terminal if the source disk (Recovery HD) and target disk (like a usb drive that you might need to, say...BOOT FROM?) is also formatted as HFS+, and you have a separate, functional mac os from which to start up (i.e. NOT your source disk that contains the Recovery HD that you are going to clone from):

https://www.lifewire.com/create-os-x-recovery-hd-on-any-drive-2260909



Jul 12, 2019 6:16 AM in response to ednarcoleptic

Strange that Time Machine does not have a function to back up Recovery partition, as well.  I guess the somewhat flawed reasoning behind this would be something like:


If you are currently running a full installation of mac os (Lion or later), then you already have a functional—yet hidden—Mac OS X Recovery partition that you can always access in case something does go wrong, so there is no need to copy/back up?


...That is, until you accidentally wipe your whole drive (with hidden recovery partition in tow).  


...Or as was the case with my installation woes, you are installing new hard drive/ssd and run into an issue w/ the actual re-installation of said operating system onto new disk.  And since I hadn’t made a full system image back up with something like Carbon Copy Cloner—which does have the ability to copy/back up Mac OS X Recovery partition—I used Time Machine to restore the most recent mac os high sierra back up onto new ssd, in order to then be able to complete full installation by downloading STUB installer and running...


You know, since I was never actually able to create that “FULL” high sierra installer via bootable usb because I wasn’t ever able to successfully download the FULL installer from app store (because it is not IN app store!)...


Like why would I ever need to have a bootable usb installer that has all of the OS components, including Mac OS X Recovery, right?


Anyway, for anyone that might need, or just WANT to (because that is still is a perfectly legitimate reason, as far as I’m concerned...Apple!) clone Mac OS Recovery partition, it can be accomplished through use of terminal and disk utility if the source disk (Recovery HD) and target disk (like a usb drive that you might need to, say...BOOT FROM?) is also formatted as HFS+, and you have a separate, functional mac os from which to start up (i.e. NOT your source disk that contains the Recovery HD that you are going to clone from):

https://www.lifewire.com/create-os-x-recovery-hd-on-any-drive-2260909

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