Reminders App not working until Catalina is released?

altabq wrote:

It seems this is really happening.

From my side I can only say that it was far from obvious that this would happen. Apple should have really placed a warning that Reminders will stop syncing with all macOS devices if the Reminders are upgraded.

What a mess.

Could not agree more. Apple did a poor job presenting this information.

The kb was release one day before the iOS dropped, with no heads up to the front lines.

Published Date: September 19, 2019

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210220

Apple Feedback http://www.apple.com/feedback

Upgrading the Reminders app is optional.

Get ready for the new Reminders app - Apple Support

Upgrading to iOS 13 does not upgrade the Reminders app. It's a separate step.

This post from the makers of BusyCal explains the issue in some detail:

Starting with iOS 13 and macOS Catalina, the new Reminders app no longer supports CalDAV.

Upgrading Reminders

When you launch Reminders on iOS 13 or macOS 10.15 for the first time, you will be presented with an option to upgrade Reminders so that it may offer you newer and better functionality.

If you don't wish to use Reminders as your primary to-do app, and instead rely on BusyCal or a host of other 3rd party CalDAV task management apps, choosing Yes will migrate all your to-do-only calendars off of CalDAV and into a private silo run and managed solely by the new Reminders app.

Your to-do-only calendars, along with their contents, will in effect be deleted from BusyCal, as well as a host of other 3rd party CalDAV clients on all other platforms. If this has given you unwarranted confusion, stress and anxiety, or it wasn't immediately clear that upgrading Reminders would result in loss of data in every other CalDAV client, please leave them feedback. They listen.

After Reminders deletes your calendars and to-dos from CalDAV, it replaces these with a calendar named Reminders ⚠️ along with the following two entries inside, reminding you who to blame:

• • Where are my reminders?
  • The creator of this list has upgraded these reminders.

Choosing No on the other hand, will keep your calendars and to-dos intact, and these will continue to sync with all other CalDAV apps, including BusyCal. The only downside of this would be the inability to use newer features offered by the new Reminders app.

https://support.busymac.com/blog/112990-reminders-in-ios-13-and-macos-catalina-drops-support-for-caldav

Very not like Apple, I've always liked Apple for having systems that simply worked, and I'm really surprised to experience this in Apple ecosystem. Why would you upgrade an app on one device knowing it will break on the other, and will break your "Apple ecosystem"? Bad bad bad.

Looks like this is true: https://www.imore.com/if-you-use-reminders-app-lot-read-updating-ios-13 Wish I had read it before I updated on my iPhone. This is also likely why my wife and I are unable to share our reminders right now.

I've just upgraded to macOS 10.15.1 which includes Reminders Version 7.0 (2046.72) and I'm still seeing these errors for the lists that are working fine on iOS 13.2.

Is there some extra step required to get Reminders on macOS to "see" the upgraded reminder items properly?

I upgraded to Catalina 10.15 and had a lot of trouble with connecting to internet, very very slow startup and shutting down. I ended up doing a recovery of an earlier backup from external time machine.

This seemed to fix the internet delay in connecting but shut down was painfully slow prompting me to rely on power button shutdown.

Startup would then be treated as restart and followed by a series of reports to Apple.

I had then just used my Mac Air as on at all times.

I had a reminder to upgrade again this time to Catalina 10.15.1. I thought this would be a bug fixer and downloaded it but to my dismay all the above problems returned.

I have done another recovery and all seems fine now with the exception of shutdown and startup.

I am now very hesitant to download any more upgrades.

I would appreciate any advise on this.

Michael

It isn't a problem with iOS. It is a problem of not being able to use Reminders on my desktop without being forced into the added task of opening iCloud. No more propaganda please to make it seem a good thing that we have lost our capacity to use Reminders on our desktop.

Oh Apple! This is bad behavior in many ways. Let's start with documentation: iOS 13 and macOS 10.15 changelogs did not mention this change. Changes that break user setups have to be in the changelog. Not mentioning breaking changes because it sounds bad is the worst idea to handle the problem.

Having iOS and macOS out of sync isn't a great idea either. On the one hand Apple drives users to update and touts new features like nested subitems. On the other hand they are silent about issues that could arise. That's a very customer unfriendly combination.

Be aware that if you use CalDAV to sync your reminders app it currently is broken for macOS. CalDAV sync still works for iOS 13.3. Also it seems CalDAV users are not asked to upgrade to the new database format which is less open and kills CalDAV sync.

Which also means that any one with a Mac that cannot be upgraded

to Catalina, should not upgrade to iOS13 if they want Reminders

interoperability. Mmmmm.

This happened to me too and yes it it because the devices are out of sync release wise…..does sound a bit amateurish

From what I can tell this is the case and I agree, it is ridiculous. I hope we are mistaken.

Reminders disappeared on iPhone 6 with message creator has upgraded. Same as other cements already made continues learn more at HT2102200

Is it possible to recover my lost reminders anywhere??

Unbelievable, Apple!