Missing Time Machine backups post Catalina Upgrade

My upgrade to Catalina on my 2013 iMac has not been smooth. Glitches with OneDrive resulted in significant data loss that I am attempting to recover with my previously stable and reliable Drobo Time Machine backups.


Catalina Time Machine reports backups available going back to May 16, 2019 with the last successful backup completed at 11:00 today (10/10). However, when I enter Time Machine to recover files I am only able to see backup snapshots kept locally on the mac, which only span a few days. Backups captured prior to my upgrade to Catalina appear to have been dropped.


In looking at the Drobo I have a Time Machine Share with 4 TBs of available space. Within that folder I now have a iMac.backupbundle at 1.3 TB which does not capture my full system backup at ~2.43 TB with apps and few exclusions.


There is a second file, iMac.purgeable that shows the May 16th date noted in the System pane for TM, but no size is returned.


Over the years I know TM will create new backups when verification fails and in this instance I can't recall the last time my iMac backup required a new file.


Anyone else running into this?


my upgrade wasn't simple, like a few people my system hung up on the "Setting up" screen requiring that I force a reboot AND I had issues with Apple ID credentials on my keychain, resulting in what seemed like a loop of login request, which resolved. Outside of the OneDrive data loss and this TM issue I haven't noticed any other issues.


Anyone else run into this or have a suggestion on how I may be able to recover? This is a significant data loss for me.


Thank you

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Posted on Oct 10, 2019 3:42 PM

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Oct 21, 2019 6:03 AM in response to Jason Golden

Not sure if you found your solution but I will offer this. I saw this article: https://www.macworld.com/article/3445481/can-t-find-your-time-machine-backup-after-upgrading-to-catalina-look-for-a-backupbundle.html


Browsed to my TM and my image lacked an icon. Did Get Info and changed the extension to sparsebundle as the article suggested. It was then able to mount, and all of my previous backups were there and I was able to copy over a file that I needed. However, I still cannot see the previous backups by Enter Time Machine from the menu.

Dec 24, 2019 1:44 PM in response to Jason Golden

Happy Holidays Ya'll


Quick update this Christmas Eve.


I haven't heard from Apple on my Feedback ticket, but today I applied a Drobo Dashboard (3.5.0 113780) for my Drobo 5N that I use for my TM backups.


I do not know if this update resolved the issue or if I simply wasn't waiting long enough for the TM UI to fully load the backup history, prior to Catalina this would happen within a few seconds. Now it takes 5-10 minutes for the UI to load my backup history.


I'll update my Apple Feedback ticket with this finding, but I would also encourage anyone who is experiencing the same problem to enter TM and let it set for a few minutes, at least 10 minutes to see if your prior backups load as expected.


Hope this helps.

Oct 26, 2019 1:41 AM in response to h_bakken

I have a huge thread on this. the final two posts show the apparent solution and the confirmation of my tests


I back up to a NAS, and was having arbitrary "now you see them now you don't" issues with Enter Time Machine and seeing my backups.


Eventually I found my NAS was not broadcasting the necessary Bonjour elements for Time Machine to Enter Time Machine and see the backups.


On correcting that I can now see all my backups using Enter Time Machine.


I think the .sparsebundle vs .backupbundle and the new folder Mapped is a red herring that many of us have followed including Apple Support


Oct 22, 2019 11:27 AM in response to Jason Golden

Had terrible trouble with this after initial failed Catalina upgrade from latest Mojave. Will spare the endless details (multiple failed attempts to install clean Mojave and Catalina, multiple failed attempts to do full system restore from Time Capsule backups, multiple failed attempts to migrate data with Migration Assistant etc...)


Eventually got clean install of Catalina.


Old backups in Time Machine were greyed out (Using 2015 3TB Time Capsule with AirPort Extreme, which I know are no longer made)


Eventually something happened, took a few hours I think, (don't know what happened) and old backups were accessible. They also showed up in Finder. I pulled across the data using finder by dragging and dropping, appeared to be successful, can open data and all of it (as far as I can remember) seems to be there.


Then after syncing and backing up my new iPhone 11Pro Max to Music (this was buggy); digression follows!


After 3 failed attempts to sync iPhone I went and enabled sync contacts which was not enabled initially, then finally it said the iPhone was synced to a different account, and asked if I wanted to sync to new account, so yes, then successful sync and iPhone backup to the Mac.


Anyhow after all this I started a new Time Machine backup over WiFi, after 36 hours was only 20% done, so I cancelled, thinking I would re-start with ethernet cable which is what I have done in the past to speed initial backup.


Ever since starting the new Time Machine backup on Catalina, the old Mojave backups are gone again, and as you noted, when browsing in Finder there is just the backup bundle file, not the sparse bundle.


Just tried to verify backups with Option key and time machine, it ground for a while now time machine says there are no backups at all.


Backup bundle file is still there in finder.


But no backups in Time Machine except the single snapshot from right now (after I attempted to verify backups)


I am extremely perplexed at this, and wondering-


DOES APPLE EVER MONITOR THESE THREADS AND RESPOND?


I have been a loyal Mac user since the Mac Plus in 1986, just so confused as to why an extremely common function like a backup does not carry through to the new OS?


I mean who does not back up their computer?


I do pay for iCloud storage and that seems to be working (it took several days but the pie next to Cloud finally went away)


I was going to erase the Time Capsule and start from scratch but I think I will wait to see if there is an update which addresses this issue.


Luckily I was able to grab the data that I really wanted (mostly photos and documents dating back to 2005), but if I hadn't done this I would be pulling my hair out.


Unless this is addressed, looks like that data is gone forever (suppose I could pay a data recovery service but like I said I think I have what I want).


Just so frustrating.

Oct 22, 2019 11:37 AM in response to h_bakken

Thank you for providing your experience, re: Apple and the Community, I think they occasionally scan them, but their primary way of interacting with issues is through their Bug Reporting site.


For my experience my backups just didn't show up when you enter Time Machine. I would only see backups kept locally on the computer which are typically just 48 hours back. However i have backup snapshots going back to May of 2019, which I'm hoping I don't lose


No issues with iPhone sync.


Initially I thought there was a background process simply updating the format of the backup files, after ~24 hours post initial upgrade I was again able to see my backups. However, this didn't last long. They all fell off and I was back to the last 48 hours. Since the yesterdays supplemental update I still do not have access to my full backup history.




I have a google alert for Catalina and Time Machine, I've noticed more activity around this topic over the past week, I suspect it will get more traction, be patient.



Oct 25, 2019 10:23 PM in response to Jason Golden

In my case renaming the file allowed me to access the time machine backups directly from the finder. It worked this afternoon but now I cannot see them any. more. Thankfully I spent some time and got all of my old data moved onto the new OS.


I did not try to view the backups from within Time Machine when it was working for that short period of time.


I am not sure at all now what to do in your situation, in my case, as soon as I changed the .extension, the time machine backups appeared in the finder, but now they are no longer there and I did not do anything else.


Sorry this is such a perplexing problem.


Hans

Oct 28, 2019 12:20 PM in response to Lurkums

Just to chime in, it's not just Drobo users who have lost direct access to TM, I am using an Apple 3TB Time Capsule and do not have direct access to TM backups but can get to them through Disk Utility, I posted info on the other thread


https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250732950?answerId=251511165022#251511165022


Still not solved for sure, going to attempt full backup tonight as I have dragged all the data I wanted from the old Mojave backup to my clean Catalina install so nothing to lose at this point.


Hans



Oct 11, 2019 10:21 AM in response to Jason Golden

I'm having the same/similar problem.


I did a clean install for Catalina.


Thankfully for me, installed without a hitch.


Attached my TM I've been using with Mojave and went through the regular system preferences thinking all would be fine. Saw that the time machine was doing a backup so left it running.

Later I tried to enter time machine to restore some work. All the backups pre-Catalina (i.e. Mojave), unavailable.


When I open my Time Machine disk I can see all the previous backups. I can copy files and folders to my HD manually, but they're not accessible through/using Time Machine.


So, sorry Jason, not a solution to your problem but just letting you know you're not alone.


Thanks

Oct 13, 2019 2:17 PM in response to Jason Golden

Spoke too soon on my previous update yesterday. Received a TM notification this morning that my backup failed its last attempt. However, it completed its next attempt successfully.


As I was checking its setup and status I noticed the backups that were back yesterday are gone again. I'm back to only having access to local snapshots going back a few days.


There are now two TM files on my drobo TM share, iMac.backupbundle and iMac.purgeable. the backup bundle was last modified today at 11:11 am and was created May 2019. The purgeable file shows a mod date of May 16, the same date as the create date of the backup bundle.


The Backup file size is showing 1.3 TB, the share is configured to max of 4.19 TB. I can't see the size of the purgeable file.


I have not received any failed verification messages since upgrading to Catalina, I'm concerned about forcing one as it will wipe out my data prior to my upgrade to Catalina.





Oct 14, 2019 3:01 AM in response to Jason Golden

My attempts were equally unsuccessful.


Left my Mac running for 48hrs hoping there might be some background activity going on with the different formatting processes between Mojave and Catalina. Even though I couldn't see any extra backupd processes happen in activity monitor.


I thought I had made progress after a restart as all my backups were visible in TM and no longer a "grey-out" pink but a red. I then randomly selected one to check only to find out they were all exact copies of the backups I had made since installing Catalina.

I panicked and manually checked the TM disk in finder to find all the backups still there. Phew!

I haven't received any failed verification messages since upgrading to Catalina either but the option in TM dropdown is greyed-out so can't try one except through Terminal.


Restarted in recovery mode and ran first aid on the TM and HD (did surprise me to find 2 disks now for data and system?).

Now I'm back to pink (greyed-out) backups in TM prior to the Catalina backups which are accessible (red).

Verify backups in TM still greyed-out and reluctant to try with terminal.


Surely there are others having this problem?

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