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Macintosh HD and Macintosh HD Data?

Why two I appear to have two drives following the Catalina update?


I erased the disc and installed fresh yet this is what appears in disk utility.


Anyone?

Thanks

iMac 27" 5K, macOS 10.15

Posted on Oct 20, 2019 3:02 PM

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Posted on Oct 20, 2019 3:13 PM

That's normal. The Mac HD - Data volume is where your files and apps are kept and you have access to them just like the older system volumes.


The Macintosh HD volume is where the system and system support files are kept and the user has no access to them. It's part of the new security that Catalina brings to the table.


What version of Catalina are you running? I have Version 10.15 (19A602) and only the -Data volume is shown in the Finder or in the Storage section of About this Mac but both are shown in Disk Utility.



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Oct 21, 2019 5:12 AM in response to Old Toad

Old Toad,

Thanks for the reply, they both show up in finder, I have attached images, and they have the exact same folders. I am running Catalina 10.15 - I erased the disk and installed the OS fresh and now time machine is reporting it can't back up the system because the Macintosh -HD volume is already present and needs to be renamed even though I formatted the backup disk.


I am very confused by this whole thing, it seems there is an issue with the installation and/or restoration of data from time machine.


A day wasted restoring my system?


Thanks for any advice,

Gordon

Oct 21, 2019 6:51 AM in response to gchdrake

Thanks for the reply, they both show up in finder, I have attached images, and they have the exact same folders.

I am very confused by this whole thing, it seems there is an issue with the installation and/or restoration of data from time machine.

The Finder shows it as one drive. Ignore the other's existence.


What did you try to restore from? Was it a pre-Catalina backup or a Catalina backup?

You can't restore a pre-Catalina OS drive to a Catalina file system. It will fail.

Dec 3, 2019 2:07 AM in response to gchdrake

What's even stranger is that Time Machine will not back-up on my new MBP 16" if both drives are mounted. I have to unmount the data drive. That seems like it would miss important data to back-up? I don't know, since Catalina everything seems to just have gotten more complicated with Macs. What happens to "it just works" mantra that we used to live by. I feel like this is becoming more like an old Windoze machine which was a big reason for changing to Macs several years ago. What gives?

Dec 27, 2019 5:53 PM in response to thegbo

Sadly that is exactly what happened to my computer and then beyond that it split my fusion drive into two drives. On a very long call to Apple Support (and a chain of calls every time OS was updated in the last 6 months and created issues for me) the only resolution was to format my Drive go into to terminal to rejoin the two drives and start over.


Worse than anything is that the whole back up thing with time machine that has worked for me for 15 years now? the new update wiped the external drive clean. All of my back up files are gone, nothing is accessible. So, after another long call with Support they confirmed that the Time Machine back ups for the last three years are useless.


I couldn’t be more upset and I have no answers

Dec 28, 2019 1:57 AM in response to JimForbes

@JimForbes

believe it or not, I did have double back ups on separate hard drives. It was to no avail. The crazy thing is, I can enter time machine and “see” everything but can not access it. I can even search the data and items will appear but I click on them and the screen goes blank.


I go back in every couple of days to poke around and see if something is going to change but am not holding out any hope.

Dec 31, 2019 12:53 PM in response to Mr. B

Interesting. Does one of the "Data Drives" have nothing in it and the other showing there is? At the Apple store we checked both of the Data volumes. 1 had material and the other was empty. So we just deleted the empty one and now Time Machine works well and haven't noticed any loss of data or any other malfunctions on the computer. BTW, the new 16" rocks.

Jan 11, 2020 1:54 PM in response to Barry Fisher

I have the same problem. I wish I would've researched all those issues regarding Catalina before I upgraded. After a complicated upgrade, I was just happy that it seemed stable. Now I just noticed Time Machine couldn't back up and I came looking for info and see this...three drives instead of one, back-ups rendered useless... I think my Mac days are counted. The mighty Mac is not what it used to be.

Feb 13, 2020 4:28 AM in response to Hardware_Wizard

Before I risk losing any data, I need to understand whether there is any risk to leaving the situation where it is now. As I said in prior post, my computer works fine. Every time I muck around with rebooting and reinstalling, it takes enormous amounts of time, and something frequently will not work right until I finally figure out the problem, but sometimes with a substantial loss of time.


So, again, my question is: what's the risk of leaving well enough alone?

Feb 21, 2020 2:34 AM in response to gchdrake

I "Upgraded" to Catalina. When I found out that most of my Apps were not compatible, I tried to revert back to Mojave via Time Machine. What a nightmare. I kept getting the message that it failed. I went into Disk Utilities and tried to erase the complete hard drive with the Data volume as I thought that would be causing the problem (it would only allow me to reformat as an APFS format not a Mac OS Journaled format) , but it would not delete the Data Volume.


I ended up erasing the Data volume several times and eventually I was able to reload my Mojave back-up, but I still have the Data volume showing on my desktop which is duplicate of the hard drive.

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