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4.0.1 Battery Life

I just upgraded to 4.0.1 last night and my battery life is horrible today.

Fully charged in the morning (8am), with normal use I will leave work (4pm) with at least 30-40%.

Today, after the upgrade, it is 1:30 and I'm at 17% and can almost watch it drop!!

Anyone else having the same problem?

iMac 2.66 4GB, Mac OS X (10.5.6), iPhone 4

Posted on Jul 16, 2010 10:40 AM

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Sep 1, 2010 7:10 AM in response to Wasabii

There is no general fix, because there is nothing broken in the release. There is something wrong with your phone. Most people have no problem. After every upgrade some phones have problems, but it is a small number. You may be one of the unlucky ones. But the problem is corrupt data on the phone or a failed update, not the release itself.

Sep 1, 2010 7:54 AM in response to Sebby*

Well, thanks a lot. I solved it with this advices:
Reset networksetting, turn off facetime and reboot.
My stats now with battery on 94%: usage: 57', standby: 7h,15'. Everything on, except bt and push. iOS 4.0.2 without jailbreak installed, my carrier is TIM (Italy). Have to add that i changed my 3 pop3 accounts to imap, didn't touch my mobileme account. Got no idea if changing pop3 to imap did help aswell...

Greetings from Italy,

Markus

Sep 1, 2010 7:54 AM in response to markus Haller

I am glad that it is fixed for you. What you have demonstrated is that there is more than one cause for battery drain; your fix worked for you and some others, but it does not work for everyone. Similarly, deleting and recreating email accounts works for some, but not others, and restoring as a new phone works for some.

So if you have a battery drain issue there are a number of things you should try when diagnosing it.

Sep 1, 2010 8:31 AM in response to markus Haller

markus Haller wrote:
Well, thanks a lot. I solved it with this advices:
Reset networksetting, turn off facetime and reboot.
My stats now with battery on 94%: usage: 57', standby: 7h,15'. Everything on, except bt and push. iOS 4.0.2 without jailbreak installed, my carrier is TIM (Italy). Have to add that i changed my 3 pop3 accounts to imap, didn't touch my mobileme account. Got no idea if changing pop3 to imap did help aswell...

Greetings from Italy,

Markus


I can get the similar stats as yours, but I do have facetime on, and I don't believe facetime have any impact on the battery life when you are not using it. Because I have my facetime on always and never had any battery drain issues just becuase of facetime being on.

Sep 2, 2010 11:18 AM in response to Kwopau

I kept track of my usage and battery life over the last 4 full charges I did. I seem to get an average of 7.5 hr of usage from my phone.
(less than 1 hr of talktime, 4 to 5 hr of music, 2 hours of streaming netflix, checking emails throughout the day, maybe an 1.5 hr messing with apps)

I mainly watched my battery percentage. I would write down the usage, standby, and talktime with each specific battery percentage and compare it with the previous info.

I am the type that likes to charge my phone every night so I have a full charge in the morning. I've been holding out on that and letting it go about a day and a half before I'm charging it now. I've noticed that I can more usage this way for my battery life. I think once a month I will let it drain all the way down until it shuts off itself. This should let the battery last longer than expected. Hopefully I can get an extra 6 months using this phone before the battery starts to lose its full charge capabilities.

Sep 2, 2010 11:28 AM in response to Kayswah

Kayswah wrote:


I am the type that likes to charge my phone every night so I have a full charge in the morning. I've been holding out on that and letting it go about a day and a half before I'm charging it now. I've noticed that I can more usage this way for my battery life. I think once a month I will let it drain all the way down until it shuts off itself. This should let the battery last longer than expected. Hopefully I can get an extra 6 months using this phone before the battery starts to lose its full charge capabilities.


This trend of trying to "condition" batteries by letting them run all the way down until the phone auto-shuts off is disturbing. This is called deep-discharging a battery, and is completely unnecessary, and in fact harmful, to Li-ion/Li-poly batteries. It's a relic of the Ni-cad days of combating battery "memory" and isn't even needed for NiMH.

Deep discharging can permanently reduce the battery's capacity to hold a charge, and it's in fact the very reason why there is circuitry in the phone to shut the device off when the voltage drops below a certain threshold. More likely than not, what you're experiencing as "longer use time" is just an asymmetry in the percentage calculation of battery remaining.

In general, it is much, much healthier for the battery to be topped up frequently (say, charged from half) than it is for it to be regularly deep-discharged and then charged to full.

On a related note nickel and lithium chemistry batteries, when new, may take a couple of full charges to reach full capacity (and we're only talking about a 10-15% increase here), but again this is better achieved just by using and charging the phone regularly, and NOT by conditioning or deep-discharging.

Sep 2, 2010 12:41 PM in response to El Guano

Did you seriously use "disturbing" to describe an issue on a phone?

Review a dictonary please. Maybe try using "unnecessary" instead?

Charging a phone anytime it gets to half a charge makes no sense to me. Why short change yourself? I think you may want to review your user's guide.

But this is just a thought. I'm no genius nor do I care to be one. I've done plenty of research over the past three weeks and you are the 1st person to make a statement like that. (deep discharging)

Message was edited by: Kayswah

Sep 2, 2010 12:51 PM in response to Kayswah

Sorry to get you riled up, please don't take it personally, and there's no reason to get huffy.

I did mean disturbing. "Unnecessary" isn't the appropriate word to use since doing so is actually detrimental to the health of the battery. Propagating the notion that deep-discharge conditioning is beneficial to battery life is indeed disturbing to me (and unless you have an empathic ability to sense my true feelings despite my own words, I don't really see the point in quibbling with it), since it's leading to more people doing it and potentially damaging their phones.

Sep 2, 2010 1:02 PM in response to El Guano

I was just stating what apple has on their battery page. Stating that letting the phone completely drain once a month. It states that if you keep charging the phone when it gets to half a charge, it will eventually "see" this as the normal and you lose battery life. Based on countless forums I've gone to and read what people are saying about their battery life, each phone is different.

I'm not trying to quib with you either.

I'm just offering suggestions to people that are having battery issues.

Message was edited by: Kayswah

Sep 2, 2010 1:29 PM in response to Kayswah

First off, thanks for veering back on-topic. I think this is much more beneficial for the thread and the discussion forum in general.

Kayswah wrote:
I was just stating what apple has on their battery page. Stating that letting the phone completely drain once a month. It states that if you keep charging the phone when it gets to half a charge, it will eventually "see" this as the normal and you lose battery life.


This goes to the asymmetry in percentage reporting. Modern lithium chemistry batteries have no memory effect, so if this is happening it's because of history logs kept in software. The phone's auto-shutdown should be based on the instantaneous voltage of the battery, so what you'll experience is not shorter battery life, but perhaps earlier "low battery" alarms but the same actual run-time before auto-shutdown. IME, even this doesn't happen. Every iPhone I've owned is plugged in anytime it can be, and have rarely if ever been allowed to drop enough to trigger the 20% alert, and the two and three-year-old phones have 80-90% of their original charge capacity and reporting.

I'm not trying to quib with you either.


Fair enough. It's hard to tell tone over the internet.

I'm just offering suggestions to people that are having battery issues.


Yes, but again, modern li-poly batteries do not need full-capacity-discharging to maintain their charge capacity (these are not sintered-plate Ni-cads we're talking about), and doing so actually reduces the full charge capability, despite what the software may log between partial charges. So if suggestions are being offered that are incorrect/detrimental, they may get called on it. Again, don't take it personally.

Charging a phone anytime it gets to half a charge makes no sense to me. Why short change yourself?


I don't see any "short change" here. A partial charge does not "count" as a full-charge for purposes of charge cycle lifetime. Two half-charges counts as one full charge (or even ever so slightly less, if you take into account the deeper discharge of the full). If you have an opportunity to keep your phone at 100%, I see no reason not to take it. If at any point you need to be away from a charger for a long period of time, you've got a phone with a full charge, rather than one at 70, 50 or 20% because you habitually run it down to near-zero before charging it. If you don't have access to a charger most of the time, c'est la vie, that's what the battery is for. If your goal is to be off a charger as long as possible as an end to itself, then so be it. I'm not saying you have to do it, just what is best for the health of the battery.

Yes, many people have recommended deep-discharging the battery. It's often-repeated and taken for granted, but it's a legacy of long-outmoded battery chemistries and is not what should be done for modern batteries.

Sep 2, 2010 1:58 PM in response to El Guano

Heat is the main culprit in limiting lithium ion lifetime - a major reason limiting their use in electric and hybrid cars.

Deep discharge can cause permanent damage, but properly designed devices like the iPhone cut off before battery voltage drops to the danger zone. Occasional depletion to device cut-off will maintain the battery meter calibration. Calibrating the meter may give the appearance of improved cycle time.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071016131957AA6Gn6Ga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm

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