Would you return your iPhone 4 to get the iPhone 4.1 on September ?
Hi all,
The question is simple : would you return your current iPhone 4 to get the iPhone 4.1 on September ? I had to give the revised iPhone 4 a name , as Mr.Jobs did not deny the hardware revision of the phone in the Q&A session of today's presentation.
I have the iPhone 4 and the Bumper, no signal issues with the case on, but a hardware-fixed phone sounds much better, what would you do if you were in my situation?
I would like to float another idea about the September 30th date. I don't think it is arbitrary, either, but actually a FISCAL decision. September 30th is the end of the next financial quarter for Apple. I work in Revenue, and I can tell you that it makes sound business sense to consolidate your loss in issuing the free bumpers against strong sales in the same quarter. The phone is still doing great from a sales perspective, and the overall dent in the bottom line will only be felt for one quarter this year. You can speculate about a hardware revision, but I would suspect that any minor changes to hardware will be slipped into the delivery stream at an arbitrary point and spread over a long period so the impact of the change is not felt by the consumers.
You will have consumers trying to sniff our a revision On October 1 or later, and I think it just won't happen against a deadline like that.
Apple releases ONE iPhone each year, which is announced, to much fanfare at their conference in June. One can expect there will be an iPhone 4X or even iPhone 5 next year, but they won't likely (my opinion of course as I don't work for Apple, hence I can't say with any certainty what they will or won't do) have a new version until next June. Certainly, if in mid-stream Apple offered up a revised phone, they would have mass-hysteria on their hands as everyone who bought the iP4 early, would be expecting a replaced phone. That scenario seems highly unlikely. Again, just my opinion.........And when they do announce the new phone for 2011, whatever it's design is, or features it offers, will most definitely NOT be an admission of a problem. It will just be the next evolution of the product that single handedly changed the face of smart phones around the world. I for one am grateful that Apple has taken such bold design and feature/performance strides with the iPhone. Is it perfect. No. Does it work better (all features considered) than anything else out there. In my humble opinion, that's a major Affirmative......
AppleZilla wrote:
Only if this mythical unit has a new function. Like teleportation or a Unicorn horn.
Otherwise, no. Ours work fine.
What? Your iP4 when you hold the phone hanging upside down, and this is important, you have to put pressure on the phone from your left and right hand, plus (I have to make sure both my pinkies are extended in opposite directions - took me some time to figure that part out) while clicking your heels three times saying "Take me to (insert wherever you want to go)" doesn't magically transport you there? Mine does, maybe you should take yours back..... LOL
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Re: Would you return your iPhone 4 to get the iPhone 4.1 on September ?
Posted: Jul 22, 2010 9:22 AM
So let me get this. A bumper solved your problem and the phone was like a different phone and yet that wasn't enough and you returned it anyway?
Yes mate, for the simple reason that the phone should perform just as well without the bumper on. It's an amazing all-round device, my neglected girlfriend will testify to that, haha! Screen protectors with no bumper would be my attire of choice.
I hear you and I suppose for you that taking it back seems like the right option. When I got my phone on Launch day, the Apple guy who activated my two phones had his new phone and it had the black bumper on it. I looked at it and thought it was actually pretty good looking and I liked that it had metal buttons for volume. I guess if all phones had come with bumpers on them from the beginning and that was how the phone looked, not a single person would be complaining. I also [again, just my opinion] felt that the phone gripped better with the bumper - it felt more stable in my hand. But for so many, just to have the naked phone and to see the metal band, so many people have either gotten upset, lost sleep, gotten nausea, had an upset stomach and in many cases, returned the phone. And I just don't get it [personally]. I buy a phone for it's functionality. It's appearance, is [again to me] secondary. But then, I guess I'm just crazy that way.......
my neglected girlfriend will testify to that, haha! Screen protectors with no bumper would be my attire of choice.
When you say your preferred attire with your girlfriend is "no bumpers" - don't you think you should keep your romantic antics with your better half private, eh mush?
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Re: Would you return your iPhone 4 to get the iPhone 4.1 on September ?
Posted: Jul 22, 2010 9:31 AM
Interesting that you are in the UK. I am an ex-Londoner living in Orange County, CA. Extremely good coverage from AT&T here. Had the 3GS and got occasional dropped calls. Am left handed, have had the 4 since day one, and get about the same (or less) dropped calls.
As you have written in a very balanced, straightforward manner, can I ask you a question please?
Do you honestly think that it's the iPhone dropping the calls, or your quality of service provider?
Did you have the same provider before with a different phone and less incidence of dropped calls?
I am one of those people that believes that this whole business is totally overblown, but maybe it's because the quality of service here in Southern California is very good.
Quick one folks, how do you properly quote a post on this forum?
Here's the thing Julian, I am right-handed therefore would hold the phone in my left hand (it does make sense, I promise). While waiting on a call I would run an app to check something, leave the app to be greated with "No Service" and missed the call. Unacceptable.
Similar story during calls. Although I only experienced a couple of dropped calls. Nowhere near the same number as my sister.
Do I think it's the phone? I think network carriers may play a part, but mostly the phone in my view. I was on pay as you go with 3, my sister O2.
When I visited the Apple Store last week to request a replacement handset, I tested it and the same thing happened. Therefore opted for bumper on a "temporary fix" basis, prior to "Announcement". The Genius Bar employee also confirmed that every one of his colleagues experienced the problem.
Used a micro-sim adapter to fit sim in my old w910i, coverage is fine, no reception problem. My w910i was never perfect, crashed a lot and slider would grind at times, but I didn't pay £500 for it. It was a £70 gift for Xmas 2008.
I really wanted the iPhone 4 when it was announced. Girlfriend and sister had 3G, other sister and friends had 3GS but I was holding out for the ultimate all-in-one device because the cameras were so poor. The iPhone 4 was it.
I personally like the annual refresh approach which Apple adopts. I've lost count of how many HTC, Samsung, Nokia and Sony Ericsson handsets have been released in the past year, each new one better than the last. All claiming to be the next big handset. You get an iPhone, there's a good chance that's the only Apple handset you'll see for a year. A year of having a flagship handset. Opt for some others and your new toy could become obselete in a month or two.
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Registered: 11/3/04
Re: Would you return your iPhone 4 to get the iPhone 4.1 on September ?
Posted: Jul 22, 2010 9:31 AM
Interesting that you are in the UK. I am an ex-Londoner living in Orange County, CA. Extremely good coverage from AT&T here. Had the 3GS and got occasional dropped calls. Am left handed, have had the 4 since day one, and get about the same (or less) dropped calls.
As you have written in a very balanced, straightforward manner, can I ask you a question please?
Do you honestly think that it's the iPhone dropping the calls, or your quality of service provider?
Did you have the same provider before with a different phone and less incidence of dropped calls?
I am one of those people that believes that this whole business is totally overblown, but maybe it's because the quality of service here in Southern California is very good.
*Quick one folks, how do you properly quote a post on this forum?*>
Here's the thing Julian, I am right-handed therefore would hold the phone in my left hand (it does make sense, I promise). While waiting on a call I would run an app to check something, leave the app to be greated with "No Service" and missed the call. Unacceptable.
Similar story during calls. Although I only experienced a couple of dropped calls. Nowhere near the same number as my sister.
Do I think it's the phone? I think network carriers may play a part, but mostly the phone in my view. I was on pay as you go with 3, my sister O2.
When I visited the Apple Store last week to request a replacement handset, I tested it and the same thing happened. Therefore opted for bumper on a "temporary fix" basis, prior to "Announcement". The Genius Bar employee also confirmed that every one of his colleagues experienced the problem.
Used a micro-sim adapter to fit sim in my old w910i, coverage is fine, no reception problem. My w910i was never perfect, crashed a lot and slider would grind at times, but I didn't pay £500 for it. It was a £70 gift for Xmas 2008.
I really wanted the iPhone 4 when it was announced. Girlfriend and sister had 3G, other sister and friends had 3GS but I was holding out for the ultimate all-in-one device because the cameras were so poor. The iPhone 4 was it.
I personally like the annual refresh approach which Apple adopts. I've lost count of how many HTC, Samsung, Nokia and Sony Ericsson handsets have been released in the past year, each new one better than the last. All claiming to be the next big handset. You get an iPhone, there's a good chance that's the only Apple handset you'll see for a year. A year of having a flagship handset. Opt for some others and your new toy could become obselete in a month or two.
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rbrylawski wrote:
I hear you and I suppose for you that taking it back seems like the right option. When I got my phone on Launch day, the Apple guy who activated my two phones had his new phone and it had the black bumper on it. I looked at it and thought it was actually pretty good looking and I liked that it had metal buttons for volume. I guess if all phones had come with bumpers on them from the beginning and that was how the phone looked, not a single person would be complaining. I also [again, just my opinion] felt that the phone gripped better with the bumper - it felt more stable in my hand. But for so many, just to have the naked phone and to see the metal band, so many people have either gotten upset, lost sleep, gotten nausea, had an upset stomach and in many cases, returned the phone. And I just don't get it [personally]. I buy a phone for it's functionality. It's appearance, is [again to me] secondary. But then, I guess I'm just crazy that way.......
Hehe, very good, cheers.
I think it's clear that when form or functionality must be sacrificed regarding aesthetics, Apple choose form, hence the need for a bumper.
You're probably right, if the bumper came bundled with the phone, people would've been fine with it.
my neglected girlfriend will testify to that, haha! Screen protectors with no bumper would be my attire of choice.
When you say your preferred attire with your girlfriend is "no bumpers" - don't you think you should keep your romantic antics with your better half private, eh mush?
rbrylawski wrote:
I hear you and I suppose for you that taking it back seems like the right option. When I got my phone on Launch day, the Apple guy who activated my two phones had his new phone and it had the black bumper on it. I looked at it and thought it was actually pretty good looking and I liked that it had metal buttons for volume. I guess if all phones had come with bumpers on them from the beginning and that was how the phone looked, not a single person would be complaining. I also [again, just my opinion] felt that the phone gripped better with the bumper - it felt more stable in my hand. But for so many, just to have the naked phone and to see the metal band, so many people have either gotten upset, lost sleep, gotten nausea, had an upset stomach and in many cases, returned the phone. And I just don't get it [personally]. I buy a phone for it's functionality. It's appearance, is [again to me] secondary. But then, I guess I'm just crazy that way.......
Hehe, very good, cheers.
I think it's clear that when form or functionality must be sacrificed regarding aesthetics, Apple choose form, hence the need for a bumper
And for me form trumps aesthetics!! Cheers to you as well!
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A year of having a flagship handset. Opt for some others and your new toy could become obselete in a month or two.
But that's another fabulous advantage of the iPhone - the 3's and 3GS's can upgrade their OS to 4 -and take advantage of new features. Don't have to buy another phone to accomplish that.
(BTW - thanks for the great and very well considered answer)
I will keep mine. While I am not happy with the "you are holding it wrong" answer and having to have a case on it to not run into the antenna issue (which in my area is a problem since I do not live in a good signal area) I will still keep it. I would have a case on it anyway just to protect the glass from scratches and drops. I have an iFrogz case on now but going with another case which should be extremely slim and a screen protector for the front.
The ip4 is lightning fast compared to my 3G phone and the antenna issue seems to be the only issue I have with mine. No proximity sensor issue or anything.
The only thing I am not happy about is that apple did not put a nonconductive coating on the metal band around the phone. It should have been a fairly easy and cost effective solution to the problem that would have not required any new hardware to be developed to fix the issue. I am not talking about death griping my phone and watching the bars go down, I am talking about laying the phone down on a couter, putting the tip of my index finger on "The Spot" and watching my signal go to "no service" and I can not make or receive calls at that point (I tried). With the case on though it doesn't appear to be a problem so I don't worry about it much. I will probably never not have a case on the phone.
I would be perfectly happy if I could just send it in later to get somekind of coating put on the edge to fix this issue and I would be fine with that. For the moment, case works.
Quick one folks, how do you properly quote a post on this forum?
click the quote " marks to the write above the compose window - and then edit (if necessary)
{quote:title=hattori also wrote:}
A year of having a flagship handset. Opt for some others and your new toy could become obselete in a month or two.
But that's another fabulous advantage of the iPhone - the 3's and 3GS's can upgrade their OS to 4 -and take advantage of new features. Don't have to buy another phone to accomplish that.
(BTW - thanks for the great and very well considered answer)
You're welcome.
P.S. In 2 years, my sister did not have any similar problems with her 3G that she has with the 4. Same carrier also.
