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MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise

We are testing two new 16-inch MacBook's before doing a rollout across our organization. Under low loads (25% cpu utilization), fan noise will get annoyingly loud. We're not doing any GPU related and more routine work such as: using web applications, debugging web pages, Microsoft Teams conferencing (audio/video) with a handful of people, Photos downloading from iCloud, Mac Mail downloading a new mailbox from Exchange.


We DID NOT notice this on our 2015 MacBooks and this might prevent us from continuing the 16-inch MacBook rollout in our organization.


Interested to hear others experiences.


Tim

MacBook Pro 16", macOS 10.15

Posted on Nov 21, 2019 11:34 AM

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Jun 29, 2020 12:03 PM in response to Chambion

Chambion wrote:

I am having identical issues with my 16" Macbook Pro. It tends to overheat on its own, but really overheats in the 160-180 degree range when connected to an external display, even with CPU usage <10%. Its resting temperature while connected is 130-150 degrees. When disconnected from the display it remains over 100 degrees which is still out of range.

Apple, please help!


There's no fix from Apple for this overheating issue since day 1. Unfortunately you either live with it or return it and get a different laptop. :(

Jun 29, 2020 12:38 PM in response to Dogcow-Moof

Wiliam is right. Sadly Apple, seems like Apple has become a "technology-centric" company, as opposed to a "user-centric" company. They don't seem to care that users say that it is almost impossible to work with a noisy fan, and/or with a super hot keyboard that makes the user's palms sweaty. I think the discussion of whether this is an overheating or any other GPU or CPU issue is totally irrelevant and shortsighted. What Apple must understand is that they were always a company that prided on designing user experience that delighted its customers, and that is what made them powerful, not only their technical competencies. I hope we do hear from Apple and we stop this nonsense discussion on whether this is an overheat or not... the computer is noisy and hot, and hard to work with, that should be more than enough to raise alarms along the whole support chain within Apple.

Jun 29, 2020 7:23 PM in response to TimUzzanti

Max Tech on youTube says that one very good remediation is to turn off Turbo Boost using Turbo Boost Switcher. Max has a lot of other cogent things to say about this model.


This link was posted above, but without explanation. In general I find most YouTube Videos to be a waste of pixels, and show stuff that could be better said in a well written paragraph. His video is well produced and has merit. His suggestion that Intel failed to produce the processor with heat characteristics Apple asked for explains a LOT:


How to FIX your 16” MacBook Pro - (Don’t Return it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkmdHVfk4XE


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Jun 30, 2020 9:00 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Today I'm working on a special project and I tried to connect a second monitor to my computer but it was IMPOSSIBLE! A few minutes after connecting the second monitor the machine went crazy, fans spinning full speed at 5000 RPM with no apps or software running, I tried using using Turbo Switch Pro but didn't work for me, the machine was still going crazy, after 10 minutes there was a weird smell (not burning smell but similar) and I was feeling the heat coming from the machine (the machine was on the other side of the desk) so I ended up disconnecting the second monitor.

Anyone saying that this should be normal behavior is just crazy, is impossible to use the machine like that. I tried the same setup with an older machine without any problem, the fans never went over 2500 RPM.

Today AMD released boot camp drivers for the new 5600 but still nothing new since November 2019 for the 5300/5500.

After my experience today I will definitely go to an Apple Store when I go back to the States in a few months to try to return it even if it's a 6 month old machine because right now IT IS A DEFECTIVE MACHINE.

Jun 30, 2020 10:40 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Some good news, I have now two Dell U2515H connected using HDMI to via Satechi dual USB-C port adapter's HDMI/60Hz and HDMI/50Hz ports. The cable used are quality Neet 25 and 50cm and the adapter is connected to both right USB-C ports on the hand side of my MBP 16" 2019 (built/arrived Feb 2020). Power is supplied via Satechi's PD port.




I have run this setup watching some youtube videos with many web sites open in tabs and some other apps. The fans' RPMs are on average between 2000 and 2900 and temperatures 59-66°C staying most of the time in the lower ranges. I've switched off Turbo Boost using TBS Pro. The MBP has been raised where the fans are about 1.5cm using small rubber stands to improve underneath ventilation. My monitor stand (a book) has been moved away 10cm from the fans outlet (have ordered proper stand with a gap in the centre so the hot air escapes even better under the monitor stand). Quite frankly and to my surprise it didn't make that much difference connecting the second display. The top touch bar is still slightly hot but not burning. My room's temp is around 21°C. I also have a keyboard dust cover on and am using an external Apple keyboard/mouse via Kensington 7 USB 3 HUB connected to Satechi's USB 3 port. Kensington HUB also has 256GB Sandisk pen drive for TimeMachine quick backups and a WD 3TB 2.5 HDD.


It's somehow improved and now am comfortable with the above ranges. The fans are barely bearable the Touch Bar is only slightly hot so can live with it. I’ll connect my third identical monitor directly to left top USB-C port in MBP and will report back after some further tests (got an arctic low RMP 900 usb fan to blow some air from a side over the hottest point to see if that helps and is not too loud).

Jun 30, 2020 12:52 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

<<to what do you attribute you better than average results?>>


It's improved as before the top was getting super hot (one could fry eggs on it) and the fans were really loud. Now it's super quiet and temps are stay within normal ranges IMO.


One screen's rotated 270 (normally have rotation set on two side vertical monitors to 270, 90 degrees and one central horizontal above my MBP's native screen to 0 degrees - 4 screens in total).

Jun 30, 2020 1:01 PM in response to Dogcow-Moof

William Kucharski wrote:

It depends upon your defintion of "experience."

If heat or fans are your defintion of "experience," perhaps.

If highest possible performance as much of the time in that form factor is, perhaps not.

How come it performs better on unneccessary heating? I and others have reported that it works much worse with the external monitor connected.. That 20W consumption eats the thermal budget..


Jun 30, 2020 2:53 PM in response to Dogcow-Moof

Apple also allows returns of products purchased at the Apple store shipped to them directly and Apple will pay for the shipping. Nobody is forced to wait for COVID-19 to end before returning their product if they are within the 14 day return period, which I'm sure the majority here discovered their disappointment during that time period.

Jun 30, 2020 3:21 PM in response to DPJ

Well, I'm not the majority then, I bought this machine specifically because I was going to be away from home for more than 6 months to open a new office for my company in another country and I needed a powerful computer that I can use when I travel and at the office, so the first time I connected the machine to an external monitor was more than a 30 days since the purchased date, it was good while traveling but it's a no go at the office with 1 or 2 monitors connected, except when I connected the machine to a different monitor with a 144 Hertz refresh rate, but that's not a complete solution because today I tried to connect an additional monitor (and old monitor) and the machine went crazy, fans running at full blast (5000 RPM), I tried the same setup with 5 different machines and the 16 inch was the only one with a problem.

Jun 30, 2020 3:51 PM in response to TimUzzanti

Basically, this has been a problem with AMD cards for years. Just Google “AMD multi monitor high clocks” and you’ll see ton of reports — a high memory clock means more power, which means more heat. As far I read, this can be fixed, but the fix must come from AMD, not Apple. The only solution, for now, is using matching monitors (same resolution and same refresh rate) with a standard refresh rate (60hz;120hz). AMD response for a GPU that suffers from the same problem is:


”I checked with the product team and their feedback is that depending on specific display configurations (resolution and refresh rate combinations) and background tasks, RX 5000 Series GPUs may maintain memory frequency to ensure an optimal user experience. This behavior is expected and does not impact the RX 5000 GPU in any way.”


Also an user said:


”I also had this problem but with a 144Hz monitor and standard timings didn't work for me at 144hz( monitor goes into standby) and I lowered the refresh rate to 141Hz and that allowed my vram clock to stay at 200mhz idle.


Some monitor manufacturers simply don't use standard LCD timings and that's what causing this issue. Idk why they are using non standard timings...cost savings, low quality panels idk I can only speculate.”


I can’t post links here, as far as I’m aware, but NVIDIA cards had this issues too and they fixed it updating the drivers.


Here’s an explanation from a user:


“It seems this is caused by conflict in different standards and the de-facto method of running these high refresh monitors.... to put it shortly; the signal bandwidth mandated by the hdmi (version number unclear) is not quite enough to transmit all of the pixels while maintaining the traditional blanking interval (CRT remnant, useless these days, but most monitors still follow it as to not break compatibility with other components using it) so it is cut tighter, the cards have traditionally used this 'idle' time to adjust clockspeeds but now it is too short to do it; so the cards just keep the clocks elevated constantly. There have been number of post in this subreddit about creating a custom resolution with reduced timings to give more 'breathing room' for the card to change the clocks and it seems to actually work on many monitors. I'm personally running my monitor at 120Hz as the procedure seems to me to be a bit out of my comfort zone...”


”From my readings ,essentially changes in memory clock must occur during the Vblank period when the monitor is not displaying anything, currently only 60/120hz have the proper sync for downclocking to work, this is sort of fixed in newer drivers for other refresh rates, but many monitors do not use the a standard vblank time for frequencies like 75hz, 144hz, 90hz (often reduced vblank, or other), and so it is simply forced to the maximum clock to avoid desync (which would cause flickering)”

MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise

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