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Are we allowed to use some emojis that were inserted in an app from Apple’s iPhone keyboard and import the result into Final Cut Pro adding other effects to the footage and posting it on YouTube?

Hello folks!


I was wondering, are we allowed to use some emojis that were inserted in an app from Apple’s Iphone keyboard AND then import the result into Final Cut Pro And add other effects to the footage, which it’s entirety will be posted on YouTube?


Basically I have an app on my iPhone which lets me insert emojis with the text. Then I export it to my phone’s library where Then I imported it in Final Cut Pro.


I know we are allowed to use emojis from Final Cut Pro by doing ctrl-CMD-Space bar and selecting the emojis we want.


But in my case the emojis originated from mummy phone’s app.


They all look the same but just asking what the legalities are.


Also, 2nd part question, (pertaining to if the above is illegal) can I use emojis from my iphone’s keyboard and then blur them in final cut?


thanks for all feedback

roberto


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Posted on Dec 3, 2019 12:43 PM

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Dec 30, 2019 10:47 PM in response to Jarmurmursz

Keep at it then!



The Copyright for your video should always be at the beginning or end credits of your video:


©year by Your Name (or Your Company Name [or both])


for example:

©2019 by F•X Mahoney | Sight-Creations (my d.b.a.) — it only needs to appear once and it doesn't have to be on the screen long (mine are usually about 1 second). It's just a "tag". It needs to be IN your video.



😎 I don't see the same problem you do. I'm saying: Go for it. Apple's EULAs are almost all the same from Apple Loops, Jam Packs, Motion Templates, everything I've seen (and again — I cannot find anything about the use of emoji on Apple's site anywhere.) As far as I know: Apple doesn't go after its users. Period. As an argument in your defense (for using them in your video): Emoji, on Apple machines, are provided as a Typeface with a specific "character set". Typefaces are not copyright. Anyone can make a Typeface of any "font family" ever made. I used to do this back in the 80's and 90's. As long as the artwork is your own*, the generated typeface is your property. That accounts for typefaces by Adobe, ITC, and many other font foundries copying each other (every foundry has a Garamond, Futura, etc...). The letterforms themselves cannot be copyrighted. If Emoji are provided as a font, then they are letterforms. They are in common use with specific meaning. Even the "pile of poop" (💩). Now if you were to just copy the emoji characters from Apple Color Emojis and build your own font — and sell it as your own — then you'd be in a heap of trouble.



Also, I hardly think Apple would have put this up:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207861

If they didn't want you to use them in your videos.



And you may find some comfort with this article:

http://ideas.dissolve.com/tips/how-to-get-emojis-in-your-projects

there's a section on "Do you need to license emoji."



*By artwork, fonts are created with "vector" shapes. There is an infinite variety of ways in which the outlines of character shapes can be created. It's like fingerprints. As long as you manually create the shapes yourself — even if it's a dead ringer for another person's font, it's your artwork and you have those rights of ownership. But you cannot copyright the actual forms of the letters if you understand the distinction. You cannot copyright the letter 'i' in such and such a font, but you can copyright WHAT you did to create that letter i.




Jan 1, 2020 5:05 PM in response to Jarmurmursz

I still can't figure out what the fuss is... because: Apple did not invent emoji, they just facilitated its distribution world wide.


Emoji are exactly like modern day hieroglyphics or pictographs (image characters). They were invented in Japan *** over 100 years ago*** (1882).


The Unicode consortium has codified them. They are a part of the system of text used world wide for all languages.


Emoji are a language. You can't copyright that. And you can't monetize it.


So now what it comes down to is who drew the bloody pictographs? Who cares. I still liken it to a font. Who cares what font you use to place text in anything. Garamond, Times, Palatino, Verdana... it doesn't matter as long as you get the point across. And you don't have to specify the font, the foundry, none of it!


There is the point of How the "artform" gets used and that can cause some problems if your use of the image is negative and the image is easily identifiable as the work of a particular individual or company... This is where I get lost...


Back in 1987, when I first started designing fonts for the Apple LaserWriter, I was just learning to use the software (Fontographer -- back when it was Altsys from Richardson TX). I was talking with my mother on the phone and not really paying very much attention to the actual software - just using straight lines. I came up with a font I would name Cuneifont:


Long history: Shareware — ripped off — copied — lost control of it. I'm not rich so... I've gotta take it.


Back in 2013, I'm watching Fox News Channel late night and there's this show called Red Eye.... and I'm looking at that logo and thinking — I'll bet that's my font!

https://youtu.be/6xxiXOmCcWg

Sure enough.

Am I going to sue Fox (and Greg Gutfeld?) You know? What's the point? They didn't ask permission, but I get how they probably came by it as a "descendant" of when I lost control of it in the 90's — they didn't know who to ask permission from and probably assumed it was in the public domain (it's not!). And any other emoji font you would attempt to purchase may be the same situation? There used to be a lot of people that would make a lot of quick money copying fonts, renaming them and selling them as theirs. The only way to really tell is to find the original font creation files and match *every control point to every control point*. I have never heard that being done (in a legal setting). The most I've ever seen are the "pirates" admitting what they had done. So you can't even be sure of what you're buying (if that's the route you choose.)


But yeah — if that's the stand people are going to take — you are basically hosed.


I'd rather use ASCII ;) 8-)





Dec 4, 2019 8:43 AM in response to Jarmurmursz

Apple’s specific emojis are copyrighted in most of the world.


That being said, in the US at least, “Fair Use” clauses in the copyright law allow for certain uses. For example using it in educational material for a not-for-profit school would be OK, using it for critique would be OK, but using it as your company logo or in company marketing would not be okay.


For more information, look into the laws of your country.


Of note, open-source emoji exist, some of which look very similar to Apple’s

Dec 4, 2019 1:27 AM in response to Jarmurmursz

Emojis are provided by Apple, Inc., and they are part of the Unicode Character set. They're kind of universal. If there were an issue with transfering them from one device to another - I'm sure Apple would have slapped some kind of DRM on them. I certainly don't believe or expect than any specific company can "own them". Also, Apple's general usage policies usually run in the vein: you can use their provided material on any devices you own. I don't think you have much to worry about.


HTH

Dec 4, 2019 12:59 AM in response to fox_m

Hi Fox_m,


thanks for replying.....


yes I understand that FCP has Emojis I can choose from.


But I created a clip from the Texting Story app on my iPhone. So basically I selected the emojis within that app through Apple’s keyboard ON MY IPHONE.


Now, having said this, doesn’t the Texting Story app need a license to those emojis if it wants to allow users to use them in its app?


So then I imported the clip made on my phone into FCP.


Am I still allowed to show those very emojis that were created on my phone in texting story?


Thats my question.


I contacted Texting Story and they weren’t sure so they asked me to contact Apple directly!


thanks for your help


roberto

Dec 4, 2019 3:48 PM in response to Jarmurmursz

https://fullscreen.com/2016/09/12/emojis-on-youtube/


If you use Apple Emoji, I'm relatively sure (99%) that their licensing will be the same as the custom content that comes with FCPX, Motion, iMovie (Titles, Generators and Transitions) as well as the Apple Loops the come with Logic, etc...


In general, for YouTube monetized videos: **Be Professional**. Credit all content not your own. Stick a © by YOU *IN* the video. If there are any questions that arise, YouTube is off the hook and more likely to support you than any claimant that might be trying to cause trouble. So, credit line: Emoji by Apple, Inc. or Emoji courtesy of Apple, Inc.

(You can't get away with putting credit and copyright information in the video description — it has to be burned in the video.)

Dec 4, 2019 4:04 PM in response to fox_m

If you use Apple Emoji, I'm relatively sure (99%) that their licensing will be the same as the custom content that comes with FCPX, Motion, iMovie (Titles, Generators and Transitions) as well as the Apple Loops the come with Logic, etc...


99% isn’t good enough I need to know:


And I will repeat:

i take an emojis from an app on my iPhone to do a text story. In the text story I use some emojis FROM Apple’s keyboard. I export the footage in my phones library. I then import the footage in Final Cut Pro.


Can I upload the Finished Final Cut Pro content with the imported clip to YouTube and monetize it.


its a clear YES OR NO!please if Apple legal department sees this question can you please give me a YES OR A NO.


the rest about the credits part is a different question.


PLEASE YES OR NO!!!!!!!!


thank you all

Dec 30, 2019 4:23 PM in response to Jarmurmursz

In case you are all wondering what the 100% correct answer is to my emoji question after consulting a lawyer on the subject, well here it is:


The moment you are using the apple emoji set in a video where the emojis may appear in and that you may be making money off your video, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE APPLE’S EMOJI SET!


so since my Youtube video will be monetized and available on Amazon.... well then I am forced to buy a third party emoji set and integrate it in my video which will cause great difficulty!


Happy Apple ?


I don’t find this is right in Apple’s part as I am using there hardware, OS, apps etc.... the least Apple can do is allow us to use the emoji set!!! They allow us to use the textual font so why not the emojis.... there is trademark in text just as mush as emojis so why the heck are they putting us through this 😡....


Funny world we live in!!!


Have a great evening ye all.... 🙄

Dec 30, 2019 7:21 PM in response to Jarmurmursz

(This is a long response, so I've had to split it into two posts — )


Part 1:


First of all — your lawyer is into it for money! Of course he's going to tell you to jump through hoops.



Second, as far as I can tell, emoji have not acquired intellectual property rights. Any emoji you *buy* may be the same infringement on Apple's (Color) Emoji... which seems to be somewhat original depending on how close it comes (and why else would you be using it?)



Third, emoji are implemented as part of the Unicode Character set (that is: "type") and there are arguments as to whether emoji are an emerging set of language characters — having meaning, in which case, that enforces the case for "type", characters, letterforms. I have not heard any news about any company going after those rights (they'd be stupid.) Emoji are too much a part of the current culture worldwide — and if something is in that "common use", it's hard to scoop a copyright on it. (The United States Supreme Court has shut down most efforts to copyright things that are considered "common use".)



As far as I know (and this goes back a l-o-o-o-o-o-ng way) Apple has never gone after anyone who legally obtains their software for copyright infringement. They had a pretty nasty scuffle with Microsoft awhile back (and deservedly so! I read the Windows programming manual — it was almost word for word the same as Inside Macintosh! They still lost.)


Furthermore, Apple provides sufficient user materials for you to make use of the Apple brand which reinforces their marketing standing. There was a time when you could not see a local attorney's television advertising without hearing Apple Loops in the background — no credit in the ad, BTW. (I'd watch for it) — and that's from attorneys.



Finally, Apple doesn't really make any money from emoji, per se. They make their money selling hardware (iPhones, etc.) that utilize emoji (they were the first to include an emoji keyboard for texting.) Apple does not sell Emoji Character sets. You are not selling their emoji (of course, they're not giving it away either...). There is "no harm" (that I can see) if you use Apple's Emoji in your videos. "No harm" is a pretty big deal in copyright disputes.



One final way to determine whether or not you will have an issue: Publish the video. If there's a copyright problem, YouTube and some of these other services will tell you (and give you a chance to take it down, or give up your monetization of the video... been there... done that!) One thing I would recommend though — if you have misapprehension about this: PUT THE CREDIT FOR THE USE IN YOUR VIDEO: Emoji Character images/set provided by Apple, Inc. or something like that. That does more for Apple than them squabbling over your use for the emojis they put in your hands for free. You should credit everything you haven't personally created *anyway*! (But if you're consulting lawyers... you already know that.) You cannot credit anything OUTSIDE your video, as in comments, About or Description sections... it doesn't count. OH! And put your © notice IN the video as well. Credits state your right to use the content you used and the copyright takes any problems the hosting services might have for their liability away from them. Have guts.



Now, if you were creating software for any kind of distribution in which you were going to place the Apple Color Emoji font... then you'd be in some trouble. I wanted to use the San Francisco Display font for a couple of FCPX Templates I created, but the developer's licensing agreement made it pretty clear I couldn't. It's basically the same thing: San Francisco is provided free with the Mac OS (but Apple made that particular font an OS only System font.) And, whereas I was able to find this information for San Francisco — I still cannot find anything similar for Apple Color Emoji font. Using the font that way (to be included with something else) is a whole other kettle of fish.



One more thing: I've been in several (not a lot) copyright disputes over the years. Almost always, the "offended" party gives you an opportunity to "Cease and Desist" before taking any further legal action. In my experience, it has usually been rather cordial as well. (US Olympic Committee asked me to cease and desist on my FREE Pyeong Chang 2018 Olympics font which I considered "fandom" and they saw it as a possible hit on their promotional items income. — Okay, I didn't think of it from that perspective at the time. I immediately apologized — I hadn't intended any harm to their business — and complied and that was all there was to it.) I still use it as an informational example here: https://fcpxtemplates.com/about-fonts-made-for-3d/ but the font itself is not available to anyone anymore (a few people got it before I pulled it).


... end of part 1


Dec 30, 2019 7:22 PM in response to Jarmurmursz

Part 2:


Now I said I've had some experience with this, specifically with YouTube. You wouldn't believe some of the cr** I've had to deal with. There was one guy: he published his video with an Apple Loop. Must have been the first one to do so. HE violated the user agreement (the Apple Loop was unaltered and whole in his video... the EULA fine print says: that's not allowed). He tried to claim I was violating HIS copyright! (Apple didn't even come into it — they definitely never went after this jacka$$.) Well back in those days I made mistakes, the most glaring one was, like "everybody else" I didn't want to "mark up" my videos with credits. I was an idiot. Credits are the professional thing to do — and now, even if I don't have to, I still credit everything.



I've had EMI, BMI and Sony (at various times) go after me for MIDI sequences that I "voiced" in Logic and they would claim I was using actual recordings that belonged to them. I find it somewhat complementary that they would think that my little MIDI sequences were a copyright infringement, but then I found out one other time, when I used an OPEN SOURCE piece that they were going to try and come after me anyway!!! For something that was not possibly theirs. The Recording Industry is the WORST about going after people for copyright. These are the guys you most need to worry about.



Then there are those I've actually won. Credits were the reason. This was one of them:


https://youtu.be/WNtyb_muGbc


Clearly credits the author, performer and source(s) of recording. The claimant ("TuneCore") backed off. (Most of these guys are just being schmucks.)



Anywho... FWIW...



Bottom line, if you accidentally step in it... you generally are given an out before any actual legal action is taken, especially as a YouTube user. I expect Amazon will be similar or they will take YouTube's position for the content. Have a backup plan. Tell your lawyer to take a hike (nicely... just in case you need him... LOLOL. ← do I need a license for this? Do I need a license for the arrow??)



Give me a break. 🖖🏻 LLAP.


Dec 30, 2019 8:51 PM in response to fox_m

Hi Less,


you seem to have a lot more experience than I do in this stuff.... a lot of what you say seems correct ....


THE ONLY THING THAT BOTHERS ME is....

what if I leave the emojis in and after 3 months I get 50 K views and a couple of hundred comments/likes and I am asked to pull it down.... I loose all that 😟


it doesn’t bother to take my video down and replace the emojis with a commercial set and put it back up again but then I am starting back at 0 views/likes....


thats the only thing that really bothers me 🤷🏻‍♂️


jeeez Im undecided

Dec 30, 2019 9:35 PM in response to Jarmurmursz

If I remember correctly, you only lose the monetization from the view count at which youtube "pulls" it — not before. They *never* asked for any of the money I made back or told me they were going to deduct it. However, *YouTube* did change the rules for monetization and I no longer get paid *anything* for any and all of my videos (I don't have enough people watching enough Hours a year) so there may be a possibility they changed something about that as well.


Have you tried to ask them??


I just did a search for this and most of what YouTube talks about is *audio* content (no surprise there). They also mention (and this was new to me) that *any portion of your video with a content ID match cannot be monetized* which means that, unless the emoji are in your video for the entire duration, they will only disallow those portions that are being contested. If you're just using them for a few seconds here and there — not a big deal. Plus, they are saying you can go into your video online and trim out sections that contain the content matches. So, I don't think you have a lot to worry about several months down the road.


There's two things here:

Apple's more or less basic End User Licensing Agreements:

You can use anything they provide with permission. Emojis are provided.

You cannot distribute any of the content they provide because it *might* belong to third party vendors (Apple is really cool about paying for the licensing of stuff for you — it's all rolled into the purchase price of the software, or in this case, the hardware/OS).


Make your video hard to contest. Place that Copyright (even if you are eventually wrong, it was your understanding when you made the video that you had the rights to use the content!) and specify the credit information. Nobody can come back and say you were using such and such *other* similar software and the hosting providers (YouTube, Vimeo, et al) have NO liability since the © information places ALL the responsibility on you. This is exactly how you want it.


From what I've seen on the videos I've looked at, YouTube is trying very hard to protect its users from "frivolous" copyright claims. (https://www.youtube.com/user/YouTubeHelp/search?query=copyright+claims+and+monetization).

They also seem to be more flexible than they used to be about how much of the monetization you will be able to keep if there is a claim... that did not exist when I was getting paid. It used to be all or nothing. They also tell you you can simply remove only those sections that might be a problem (online Studio editor) — maybe you can just cover them — but you don't have to take down the entire video!


Have faith! Don't rely on just one video. Keep producing and build a loyal audience. Be adaptable if stuff does hit the fan... One hit isn't going to end your YouTube career. Strikes can be removed so take care of them expeditiously and keep going.


Glad to hear you're making money at it!

Dec 30, 2019 9:55 PM in response to fox_m

No I ain’t making money off of YT I’m like you not enough views ....


what do you mean by the copyright symbol.... I have to put the copyright symbol next to every emoji or line of emojis?


taking it down is a bitch.... I tell y’a and removing or blurring all the video parts in the video will lose the message I am trying to convey!


let me see tomorrow I have some time I will look at what’s available the problem is most commercial emojis aren’t like a set where I can insert them in FCP titles 😟 you know the tiles where you can insert text and emojis in. Well commercial emojis just sell big images of emojis in which you can simply superimpose on your clip. I need a commercial emoji set where I can include in the text title field because the text along with the emojis need to scroll together ! See the head ache this emoji copyright crap is giving me !

Are we allowed to use some emojis that were inserted in an app from Apple’s iPhone keyboard and import the result into Final Cut Pro adding other effects to the footage and posting it on YouTube?

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