Apple Intelligence is now available on iPhone, iPad, and Mac!

Looks like no one’s replied in a while. To start the conversation again, simply ask a new question.

Change User Name in Catalina

Yesterday I saw a thread linking this read: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201548 I have lots of questions about its contents. But, I'll start like this. Is the read talking about a standard user name? I can't recall being ask to chose a standard user name during any of my installs pretty much forever. What I recall from my recent upgrade to Catalina is first being asked for my "Name" (not any kind of user name). And, second, I recall being ask for a "name" for my home folder. After setting up completely, Users and Groups shows my "Name" as Admin, and no standard user account is shown. And, my home folder is entitled "name." I emphasize that "Name" and "name" are different. So, as best you can, please let me know how my experience squares with the contents of the read linked above. Mainly, does it imply that i need to change something. I don't think so, but I am confused. Thank you for any insights you can provide. I recall that some don't like the idea of logging in as Admin, but I've done so forever, with no problems being encountered.

Posted on Jan 23, 2020 4:44 AM

Reply
Question marked as Top-ranking reply

Posted on Jan 23, 2020 11:55 AM

The "owner" of the computer is the initial user account created. That user is the Admin user. Only an admin user can create a Standard or Sharing account. That is why your account is setup as an admin account. Standard accounts do not have the full capabilities of an admin user such as updating/upgrading system software.


Because a Standard account cannot access system files or other accounts, they limit the ability of a hacker gaining access to system files or using software to install malware or gain access to a user's private data. This is seen as adding a level of protection not available at the admin level. If an admin account is hacked, then the hacker gains access to the whole computer. Thus, some pundits recommend booting from a Standard account for normal use. The admin account is then only used for administration purposes like installing upgrades, changing accounts, etc.


If you use a cable/fiber modem and hardware router using NAT (Network Address Translation) to access the Internet, then that provides protection from hackers much like a Firewall. For added protection you can enable the built-in macOS Firewall and/or use a VPN (Virtual Private Network). One does not need the two account system, admin and standard, to provide protection against the outside. Personally, I operated from my admin account as I am the only person who uses my computer. I have a cable modem and router that uses NAT. When I need added security I enable my VPN software.


IMHO, unless you keep very private information on the computer or the computer user works for an organization that requires a high level of security, there isn't a need for anything more than the router. Today, you can even buy routers that implement a VPN within the router. They do cost more, though. I sort of consider that I have nothing on the computer of value to anyone that I'm not a likely target to hackers. They want "big bucks" or recognition so they don't waste time hacking smalltimers like me.


I should add that bank accounts and other financial accounts are protected by very long passwords stored in an encrypted account sort of like the Keychain of macOS, that serves a similar purpose.

Similar questions

5 replies
Question marked as Top-ranking reply

Jan 23, 2020 11:55 AM in response to donv_the_ghost

The "owner" of the computer is the initial user account created. That user is the Admin user. Only an admin user can create a Standard or Sharing account. That is why your account is setup as an admin account. Standard accounts do not have the full capabilities of an admin user such as updating/upgrading system software.


Because a Standard account cannot access system files or other accounts, they limit the ability of a hacker gaining access to system files or using software to install malware or gain access to a user's private data. This is seen as adding a level of protection not available at the admin level. If an admin account is hacked, then the hacker gains access to the whole computer. Thus, some pundits recommend booting from a Standard account for normal use. The admin account is then only used for administration purposes like installing upgrades, changing accounts, etc.


If you use a cable/fiber modem and hardware router using NAT (Network Address Translation) to access the Internet, then that provides protection from hackers much like a Firewall. For added protection you can enable the built-in macOS Firewall and/or use a VPN (Virtual Private Network). One does not need the two account system, admin and standard, to provide protection against the outside. Personally, I operated from my admin account as I am the only person who uses my computer. I have a cable modem and router that uses NAT. When I need added security I enable my VPN software.


IMHO, unless you keep very private information on the computer or the computer user works for an organization that requires a high level of security, there isn't a need for anything more than the router. Today, you can even buy routers that implement a VPN within the router. They do cost more, though. I sort of consider that I have nothing on the computer of value to anyone that I'm not a likely target to hackers. They want "big bucks" or recognition so they don't waste time hacking smalltimers like me.


I should add that bank accounts and other financial accounts are protected by very long passwords stored in an encrypted account sort of like the Keychain of macOS, that serves a similar purpose.

Jan 23, 2020 11:12 AM in response to donv_the_ghost

When you first installed macOS, the Setup Assistant asked for your "real" or Full name. Once entered you tabbed down to the field where you would enter a "user_name". That field was filled automatically with a suggested user_name based on your full name. You could change it or accept it. Then you provide your desired password.


Setup Assistant creates a new user account that has admin status. Additional accounts can be created that are either Standard or Sharing accounts. Standard accounts do not have admin status, and can be further restricted through Screen Time preferences (used to be Parental Controls.)


The article you linked is about changing a user_name - the name used for your user account. Only the admin user is supposed to be able to make this change.

Jan 23, 2020 11:44 AM in response to Kappy

Thank you very much Kappy. Yes, I remembered incorrectly. What you say is what happened: "Once entered you tabbed down to the field where you would enter a "user_name". ....Then you provide your desired password."


Ok, but the user name I provided (that appears on the home folder created) is not connected with a standard user. No standard user was created when I installed. In this regard, why wasn't a standard user account created when I installed? And, apparently I can use that folder because I am the Admin having a name (the full name you mentioned above) that differs from the name on the home folder that was created.


What would happen if I created a standard user account having the same name as that of the home folder. Don't worry. I'm not going to do it. I'm just curious. I am happy the way things are. They've always ended up that way after installing.


So, in effect, the article I linked has nothing to do with me as things stand. Surely many people, following the installation instructions, end up where I am, where I always have ended up. Is that a bad thing. Of course, if I logged in or out, then I'd be doing so as an Administrator. And, people at least used to consider that to be a bad thing.

Jan 23, 2020 12:39 PM in response to Kappy

Great reply Kappy. I marked that you solved my question. But, of course, I have more. Actually, I have mostly comments. Still, I'd like to have your comments on my comments.


You say, consistent with my understanding, "the "owner" of the computer is the initial user account created. That user is the Admin user. Only an admin user can create a Standard or Sharing account. That is why your account is setup as an admin account. Standard accounts do not have the full capabilities of an admin user such as updating/upgrading system software." And, you talk about security. So, here goes.


I've never worried much about a hacker getting in to my set-up so I never thought much about not having a standard user account. And, I'd rather get by with only one password for each of my computers. Maybe I should worry more, but, for me, a solid computer password, two-factor authentication, and a solid router password provide decent security (not perfect though). Yours is way better.


Anyway, why doesn't the installation process create a standard user account with a name matching the name that ends up on the home folder created. Wouldn't that be a natural thing to do given the concerns that many have about security, including Apple. The Admin account that is created would be the same (using the full name). And, the Admin password and the standard user password could be the same (or two passwords could be required during installation). In the first case, an installation caveat could be provided letting the owner know that it would be wise to change the standard user password.


In this regard, is the set-up Administrator expected to do what I mentioned before--create a standard user account with a name matching the name on the home folder set up. No instruction is ever given for the Administrator to do so. Does that work? If so, then the article I linked would apply if someone wanted to change the name of a standard user.


I think the installation outcome that is produced is odd. You end up with an Administrator and a standard use home folder (so to speak) with no matching standard user account. And, in my case, I end up using that home folder as an Administrator--which, of course, I have the right to do. So the user and the home folder have mismatched names (in a sense).

Change User Name in Catalina

Welcome to Apple Support Community
A forum where Apple customers help each other with their products. Get started with your Apple Account.