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Whats the point in Noise Removal? - Any Tips, Please??

I don't see any point in the Noise Removal feature (Effect) !


I use a MacBook Pro Pimped out to the max! However...


It either crashes my laptop every time, or I can watch the birth and death of a Star for a 3 minuet video...


It's such a crucial feature, that's so utter flawed?!?


Has anyone got any tips for using this without having to go through the above ordeal, please?

MacBook Pro 15", macOS 10.15

Posted on Jan 23, 2020 8:59 AM

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Posted on Jan 23, 2020 9:13 AM

Can you give complete complete specs of the machine, the OS and software versions, and specs of the media you're using.


Noise Removal is incredibly processor intensive. If you think that's slow try Neat Video, though it's gotten better. It's millions of computations to do for even a short clip. You should leave adding noise removal to the very last thing in your production, except for a few short tests. Only apply it where necessary, and leave a huge amount of time for processing if you have a long project, and if you have other effects like grades and gods forbid stabilization as well you're in for a very long wait on even a Mac Pro. For tips, the best is to light properly so you don't have to use it.

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Jan 23, 2020 9:13 AM in response to Ningiszida

Can you give complete complete specs of the machine, the OS and software versions, and specs of the media you're using.


Noise Removal is incredibly processor intensive. If you think that's slow try Neat Video, though it's gotten better. It's millions of computations to do for even a short clip. You should leave adding noise removal to the very last thing in your production, except for a few short tests. Only apply it where necessary, and leave a huge amount of time for processing if you have a long project, and if you have other effects like grades and gods forbid stabilization as well you're in for a very long wait on even a Mac Pro. For tips, the best is to light properly so you don't have to use it.

Jan 23, 2020 10:38 PM in response to Ningiszida

Yeah, Neat Video does take a while. Sort of about 1/8 X. It's done wonders for me, though, as I have some Super 8 movies that have been through the projector a wee bit too many times! (Neat Video also has a dust and scratch removal feature, which I'm guessing you don't need.) It has trouble with stop-motion animation, though. You might have to make your moving objects.


An interesting advantage with Neat Video (I get no remunerations for saying nice things about it) is that you can fine-tune it by running its optimize function, which will try all combinations of number of CPU cores with and without your GPU.


There are times when you can disable it, either by unchecking it on the Video Inspector or toggling its own on/off switch (see the fine manual). If you're drawing a mask, e.g., or animating one, or doing color corrections, or whatever, and they're not affected by the noise reduction, disable the noise reduction. Otherwise it will run every time you make any changes! One thing I do, and I'm not certain how much it helps, is to type in numbers into the color controls (where possible) instead of smooth sliding. It'll be easier to keep track of where you are, at least -- due to the response delays you get.


Are you using the FCP noise reduction? The results of its sharpness function are kind of harsh, but while its degree can be adjusted, it cannot turned off. You'll probably get better results with Neat Video, but you have to help it by setting up a noise profile for each clip. Creating a good noise profile is very important. A bad profile will give you -- surprise! -- bad results.


Super NB: Do not use NR more than once in any given clip, e.g., at multiple layers in a compound clip. If you're compositing, only run it at the top level (actually I think you'd be best off putting the layers in a compound clip, and then run Neat Video on the compound clip). If you do use it more than once in any given clip, it will be really, really, really slow. Forget about getting a cup of coffee. You can go to the store to stock up. I once tried mixing FCP NR and NV NR. You have to run FCP first; otherwise, you get halos. I found that doing that can improve the sharpness, but I ultimately decided against it because FCP overshapening is a little to harsh, and it takes so goshdarn (can I use the raw version here?) long.


I don't recall the stabilization function being as slow, but every shot required different methods and settings.

Jan 23, 2020 11:16 PM in response to betaneptune

Another trick I use is to export the clip and re-import it. The NR is then "baked in" and you can make new changes to your heart's content. In many cases I've used both Neat Video v4 and v5 on the same clip. (v4 works better with stop-motion animation, and v5 reduces flicker, which v4 doesn't).


One more thing: Make sure it doesn't cook your book! The fans in my mac often start up when NV is rendering.

Feb 16, 2020 3:28 PM in response to betaneptune

That should be "You might have to mask your moving objects", not make your moving objects. NV v4 has trouble distinguishing between your animated physical objects and actual dust splotches. Hmmm. I wonder how well it would work with professionally drawn animations? NV v5 has made the need to mask animated physical objects more "interesting," but in a bad way. A cool thing it has that v4 doesn't is a flicker reduction function! For both local and global flickering.

Whats the point in Noise Removal? - Any Tips, Please??

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