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Apple-authorized repair versus Apple store repair

I have an Android smartphone that's acting more like a dumbphone. So, I'm in the market for a new phone.


I researched different brand Android phones. I'd prefer a local company authorized repair store. LG has only one in Fort Worth, Texas! Motorola has one 35-miles from my apartment. Samsung has a few local stores in Richmond, Va. where I live. The Samsung authorized store states on its website that it can only fix the phone so that it's functional. They can't replace a water sensor. They can't replace the logic board that's been damaged by water. I don't understand how they can claim to be a Samsung authorized repair store when they admit that they can't fully repair a Samsung phone.


I'm interested in getting an iPhone 11.


So, here's my question. Can an Apple authorized store, like Best Buy, fully repair an iPhone or can only the Apple store fully repair an iPhone?


If one has AppleCare+, can one get a loaner iPhone while his/her iPhone is being repaired?

Posted on Feb 19, 2020 2:44 PM

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Feb 19, 2020 4:15 PM in response to macnerd48

Neither service provider will do much repairs. Apple, and their authorized service providers will replace displays and batteries. Other than that, they replace the device with a service unit. That model has become pretty standard across the industry since it simply is not cost effective for the retail locations to hire, train and employee micro-electronic repair personal. It’s much better to just swap the malfunctioning device with a proper functioning one, and send the damaged one back to the actual OEM for repair/refurbishment, parts salvage or recycle.


For a loaner phone you would have to specifically ask for one and sign a loaner agreement document -> https://www.apple.com/legal/sales-support/applecare/iphoneloan/

Feb 19, 2020 4:12 PM in response to macnerd48

macnerd48 wrote:

So, here's my question.

Actually, you have more than one question.


Can an Apple authorized store, like Best Buy, fully repair an iPhone or can only the Apple store fully repair an iPhone?

An Authorized Apple Service Center can repair an iPhone.


If one has AppleCare+, can one get a loaner iPhone while his/her iPhone is being repaired?

No.

Feb 20, 2020 4:38 AM in response to Michael Black

I guess that it makes sense to replace rather than repair a phone. I recently watched an iPhone 11 Pro teardown video on YouTube. Basically everything had to be removed just to get to the battery & the battery was glued in. So, it would be time-consuming to teardown each iPhone & repair it. And you know that time is money!


In Section 1 of the loaner agreement it states: The Serial Number of the Loaner Phone is listed on the Genius Bar Work Authorization for the service on your current iPhone.


I reckon that means that one can get a loaner phone only from an Apple store & not from an Apple authorized repair store.

Feb 20, 2020 6:11 AM in response to macnerd48

I would imagine if an authorized repair provider offers loaners or not will be entirely up to them. Some may, some won’t.


The whole approach to over the counter replace instead of repair on site isn’t just Apple - that’s how Barnes and Noble serviced my nook years ago, how Amazon services kindles, pretty much how everybody services mobile electronic devices these days. I know some people think it’s wasteful but it’s actually not. Since the turned in devices go back to the OEM or a full time electronics recycler, they get either refurbished and put back into the service pipeline, or parts from them are used to refurbish other devices, or they get properly recycled for material recovery. But all that is done at centralized facilities with all the required equipment and trained personal to do that work who can do it far more cost effectively than individual retail outlets could.

Feb 20, 2020 8:20 AM in response to macnerd48

macnerd48 wrote:

If one has AppleCare+, can one get a loaner iPhone while his/her iPhone is being repaired?

Yes, if the phone needs to be shipped to Apple for repair. But repairs are normally done while you wait in the store (or drop it and return later), so a loaner is irrelevant. If you choose to ship the phone to Apple for repair and you have AppleCare+ they will ship you a replacement directly and you return the defective phone. They will put a hold on a credit card until they receive the return.


Apple stores can replace screens and batteries in the store. It’s a mostly automated process using tools and machines designed for this purpose.

Feb 20, 2020 11:11 AM in response to Lawrence Finch

I reckon that takes care of my questions about AppleCare+. Thanks for your help.


My dumb Android smartphone is getting dumber by the day! I have to repeatedly tap the screen to wake it up or put it to sleep; sometimes I have to push the power button to wake it up or put it to sleep; I have to repeatedly tap an app icon to wake up the app; I have to repeatedly tap a link to get the phone to go to the link. A factory reset would probably solve the problem but I want to get a new iPhone. I'm nervous & excited!


Thanks!

Feb 20, 2020 12:02 PM in response to Michael Black

Michael Black wrote:
I would imagine if an authorized repair provider offers loaners or not will be entirely up to them. Some may, some won’t.

The whole approach to over the counter replace instead of repair on site isn’t just Apple - that’s how Barnes and Noble serviced my nook years ago, how Amazon services kindles, pretty much how everybody services mobile electronic devices these days. I know some people think it’s wasteful but it’s actually not. Since the turned in devices go back to the OEM or a full time electronics recycler, they get either refurbished and put back into the service pipeline, or parts from them are used to refurbish other devices, or they get properly recycled for material recovery. But all that is done at centralized facilities with all the required equipment and trained personal to do that work who can do it far more cost effectively than individual retail outlets could.


I've worked in the electronics industry, and one of the things I did was work on technologies related to board level testing, chip-level testing, etc. as well as taken classes on how to handle failures. Remarkably enough, most of the time there's any kind of failure the whole thing just gets tossed these days because it isn't considered cost effective to try to do repairs. You find one fault in a chip and the whole things gets rejected. Maybe an exception is RAM or flash where the regularity allows spares to be built and then enabled if needed. An assembled board will be tested and tossed if there's a single connection fault. Maybe failed samples go in for failure analysis, but the idea is that the assembly is so good that they just deal with it as a cost of doing business. It may also be expensive to deal with having to replaced failed units where an attempt to do board-level repair was made.


If they're not interested in doing board-level repairs at the manufacturing level, it follows that they're probably not interested in doing that at the repair service level. Simplifying everything into simply repairing major parts makes it easier. And during the warranty period they've going to be paying for the replacement of those major parts.


Sometimes prototypes get reworked, but that's expensive. I know there are some independent businesses doing micro soldering rework, but that's specialized work that a large company like Apple isn't interested in doing. As you noted, they look to keep as many working parts as they can to reuse. However, there might be some things that Apple might be able to fix at a central repair facility to make service replacements, that they wouldn't repair for a customer. I keep on hearing that Apple's only fix for a damaged Lightning port is a complete replacement. However, I've seen what it looks like inside, and the Lightning port and its associated connector are a separate part. That they don't do this repair at Apple Stores is more a business decision. But a single chip or surface mount cap/resistor on the board blows? It's pretty much industry standard that no OEM is going to try and fix that.

Feb 20, 2020 12:10 PM in response to y_p_w

Apple reportedly has contracts with their iPhone and iPad manufacturing companies that they ship devices back to them for any salvage, recycle or refurbishment. Apple service centers still repair Macs (they have a site in Texas that still does that I think), but not iPhones, iPads or iPod touches.


They swap them out and ship the turned in ones back to China and Taiwan, or recyclers like BrightStar. I imagine it is Foxconn’s desire to get 100% of that refurb/salvage business in their doors, and I am sure it is Apple’s wish not to have to develop a whole workforce of speciality trained people that they can readily outsource instead. BrightStar’s entire business is nothing but used electronics so you know that they can deal with them more efficiently and cost effectively than a bunch of retail stores with only a few techs per store could ever do.


Foxconn is doing the OEM refurbishment for Apple anyway, so has a demand for perfectly good salvaged parts. If they can put a new display and new battery into a device and repair the lightening port and then Apple makes it available as a service unit or a refurb for sale, that’s a better bottom line outcome than paying someone in the USA a competitive salary to spend hours micro-soldering a device for some hourly repair fee.

Feb 20, 2020 12:33 PM in response to Michael Black

Michael Black wrote:
Apple reportedly has contracts with their iPhone and iPad manufacturing companies that they ship devices back to them for any salvage, recycle or refurbishment. Apple service centers still repair Macs (they have a site in Texas that still does that I think), but not iPhones, iPads or iPod touches.


Not sure about who to believe, but I remember talking to an Apple Store employees who claimed that returned iPads in the US get sent to a place in the Austin area to be refurbished or recycled. However, the iPad itself is an exercise in "all or nothing" repair. They "repair" at two price points - a battery replacement and everything else, but it's always a complete service replacement. And when I brought mine in for a battery evaluation, I was told if I wanted a service replacement they would charge the "everything else" price because of a slight warp. I know in some countries the AASP infrastructure only involves those businesses serving as Apple's agents for exchanges - even for something as basic as a battery or touchscreen replacement.

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