Retroactive (GitHub) to run Aperture on Catalina

Hello, I found Retroactive software from GitHub (free) that is intended to allow Aperture running on Catalina.

I am still using Aperture on High Sierra, with Nik collection. I was not motivated to stop using Aperture and switch to Photo because Photo is not so good compared to the clear interface of Aperture. So because of keeping Aperture, I am not ready to update the OS to Catalina. I think many people are in similar case.

But now, with this Retroactive software, it might be possible to continue with Aperture on Catalina.

However, I have no idea if Nik collection can work. To know it, I have to install Catalina ... with the risk of loosing Aperture ...

If someone using Aperture, has installed Catalina, would it be possible to try Retroactive to give us a feedback to know if it works well ? Especially for those, like me, who are using Nik Software collection on Aperture because there is no feedback on Nik Collection users with Retroactive.

My dream is that Apple develop another Aperture compatible with Big Sur or Catalina, and working also on High Sierra. This will allow more people to update the OS peacefully, which is not the case when having Aperture as main photo treatment interface.

Posted on Jun 23, 2020 10:21 PM

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Jun 26, 2020 5:22 AM in response to Yer_Man

I have played around a bit with Retroactive. It is good to know it is there in an emergency, when I need to repair an Aperture Library before it can be opened in Photos on Catalina. Or when I discover that my Aperture Library had only small preview files and I need to create better previews. Occasionally the Photos.app fails to open an older Aperture Library when I want to compare the items in the original Aperture Library.

But the Retroactive version of Aperture is limited, because it has been crippled by removing all references to 32bit frameworks. Use it only in an emergency, when you need to look up something in the original Aperture libraries after the upgrade to Catalina. And we do not even know yet, if the next system Big Sur will allow us to continue to patch software with Retroactive. Prepare for the final nail in the Aperture coffin by migrating your libraries to a different application while you are still able to use Aperture and do not have to do the migration blind folded.

After installing the original version of Retroactive in the early Catalina version, I used it also to fix iTunes. And my Macs started to sound like a lawn mower. It seemed better after the recent Retroactive updates, and avoiding the more aggressive iTunes patch. Be very careful.


The migration from Aperture takes a very long time, because we may have to replace many features, like the hierarchical keywords or custom metadata fields. I started it when macOS 10.10.3 Mojave came to, but I have still occasionally to look up the originals in Aperture to compare the time zones of the capture dates or to check the adjustments and faces. or custom metadata tags.



Jun 24, 2020 12:38 AM in response to tomigaya31

Aperture has been dead for 5 years now. Not sold anymore, with no significant development in even longer. Not every dream comes true and I certainly wouldn't be holding out for your one.


Photos is not a replacement for Aperture. It was not intended to be. You don't replace an $80 app with a giveaway. Apple have just got out of the pro/hobbyist market.


Retroactive is a hack that - according to some reports I've seen online - can have a negative impact on overall system stability. It also only offers a limited set of Aperture features. Sooner or later your computer will need to be replaced. You'll have no way of even installing Aperture on that machine. The only certainty is that you will stop using Aperture. If you do it now you have the opportunity to carefully evaluate your choice of replacements and manage your migration. Why wait until you have no choice?


Here is a quick list of some of the alternatives to Aperture. There are others. In that they are all in continuous development they have all exceeded the capability of Aperture.


Lightroom Classic

CaptureOne

OnOne Photo Raw

DxO PhotoLab

Exposure X5

Mylio


There are others. Read the reviews, download the trials and make your choices.

Jun 26, 2020 2:24 AM in response to Antony Platt

Aperture works (mostly) fine until 10.15, then it just doesn't run anymore.


The Silicon Macs may be able to boot into an older Mac OS.


And equally, pigs might fly. The only possible way that you could use an old OS with the newer Macs is under emulation, using Rosetta 2. So you won't be booting into 10.X. But it's a lovely thought and on that sites like MacRumours thrive on. Also, it would be the first time ever that a Mac was released that could run an OS earlier than the one it was released with. First time for everything, I suppose. I really wouldn't hold my breath. Apple don't want you running old and deprecated versions of the OS. It's more expensive to support. It's why they started giving away the OS as a freebie every year. Much easier to work with a user base where 80% of the people are all on the same OS. So, like Retroactive, it may be possible with contortions that involve compromises. But really, how many contortions are you willing to drag yourself through to use a dead app? Aperture was a really good app, and I miss it, but equally, once I learned to use apps like LR Classic and DxO I now see the limitations of it as a processor and a DAM - it was of it's time and place, but that was long ago.


And if you're a RAW shooter, then be sure you don't get a new camera, as Aperture will not support that Raw.


Finally, there is one last consideration: this forum is now a silent backwater on the discussions site. That's because the user base of Aperture has dwindled and moved on to other things. So, as you go forward, there will be less and less support available for the issues that arise from running the app.

Jun 24, 2020 11:10 PM in response to tomigaya31

One symptom of Aperture being dead for 5 years is while I retain a general interest, I don't keep sources for my comments on the Retroactive app, but you can google it. I didn't investigate the app, as I said, I've read reports online. Mine is a general warning. As for the Nik Collection that integrates effortlessly with all of the apps in the list there (tho I'm not 100% certain about Exposure x5, I just can't recall), and I know this as I have used it with them in trials. So you lose nothing of your investment in the Collection. In fact DxO now own the collection and are adding features to it once again. I use there Nik Collection personally with LR Classic and DxO most sessions I spend on my photos.


And again, holding your OS at High Sierra is, at best, a temporary solution. Your computer will not run forever. Your next one won't install Aperture, even if you could get your hands on an installer.

Jun 24, 2020 5:52 PM in response to Yer_Man

Thank you Terence for your feedback. I think it will be very helpful for many people, but it will be also appreciated if you could give the sources/reference of what you read here and there on it, just to share with others.

By the way, I appreciate that you investigated Retroactive software and report your experience, it is very helpful to me at least.

Be aware that I have no interest in this Retroactive software or company, I was just curious about it, and intensive user of Aperture, not only because of the easy interface, but mostly because of the integration of Nik Collection for image treatment. So it is not a question of losing Aperture itself, it is just that stopping the usage of Aperture means that I am also loosing a big investment on the Nik collection extensions that is installed ... and that is working perfectly on High Sierra.

Jul 2, 2020 11:24 PM in response to Tejono

I presume you're referring to the quick (and non-exhaustive) list I made above:


Lightroom Classic

CaptureOne

OnOne Photo Raw

DxO PhotoLab

Exposure X5

Mylio


If so then you are, simply, incorrect. Of the 6 I listed it is correct that DxO PhotoLab is primarily a Raw developer, with rudimentary DAM capability. The other 5, however, are both Raw developers and quite sophisticated DAM tools. If you regard Lightroom as 'not able to compete' with Aperture, I can only surmise that you're not very familiar with the current version of Lightroom Classic. It is perfectly clear that if you think of the others as "merely" Raw Developers only then you are indeed quite unaware of their capabilities.


And while Aperture may still be running on your Mac, as always the same warnings apply: if you're a Raw shooter don't buy a new camera, or be prepared to contort your work flow to convert these Raws and, of course, don't buy a new computer. Ever. Good luck with that.


Jul 7, 2020 3:41 PM in response to katrin49

For old software the solution is to use modern versions. If you don't want to do that then roll back to the previous OS. You did make a back up before updating right? Running old software is not a problem that can be laid at the door of Catalina. The OS has been out for 9 months. For a year before that Apple announced and warned that support for 32 bit apps was being dropped. So that's 21 months of opportunities to find out what would and would not work before you updated.


And I strain to understand what any of this has to do with the topic of this forum, or even this thread.

Jul 7, 2020 3:51 PM in response to Yer_Man

Apertures UI is much more intuitive, as powerful as Capture Oner is it has a lot of hidden stuff that can affect workflow. Perfect example after a long day Shooting the first day of a new TV Show I put my cards into the Trash Can and nothing happens. Try again nothing no files I start to have a meltdown restart same thing after an hour or so of this oh and BTW am exhausted I think oh maybe try the MBP. The MBP with Aperture sees the Jpegs but not RAW's as shot on a newer Camera. Then I look at the card file structure I see lots of files drag a few onto the Desktop and convert them into DNG's and import into Aperture everything looks good am seeing 55Mb+ Photography, now am feeling a bit better as I know the day is not lost. Turns out there was a hidden filter Setting on Capture One set to not recognize RAW Files! Meanwhile I've had a complete Meltdown and a heart attack screamed over the Phone its now the middle of the night but I finally figure out how to un=set the Filter Setting and start importing RAW Files onto the Trash Can. With Aperture I can do this in my sleep with one eye closed.....

Aug 15, 2020 5:49 AM in response to tomigaya31

My gmail account was syncing with my work account we use gsuite on a windows computer. Somehow I got this aperture and pro apps and I couldn’t remove them or separate my accounts because they have a business account and access to Github. Some crazy crap I had to change my email and Apple ID cuz this happened 2 weeks ago and apparently I still had the pro apps linked to my Apple ID which I found out today. I’m getting g a new phone tomorrow cuz now I feel like I have to sever every single connection I could possibly have to that crap

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