Any harm in using a lower powered (45w or 60w) power supply for my MBP 16"? Anyone know what the peak power draw is?

I'm thinking of getting a PD USB-C battery bank for my new MBP 16" but the 100w PD ones are really, really expensive. Presumably a lower power battery bank would just result in the laptop draining the internal battery as well when under medium-heavy loads?


Incidentally, does anyone know what the normal and peak power draw of the MBP 16 with 5500M and 16GB RAM is not including any power being used to charge the internal battery? I know it comes with a 96W PSU but I presume there's some headroom in there for recharging the battery as well as powering the rest of the laptop.


I note that Apple advises getting a more powerful PSU won't harm the laptop (obvious to anyone who understands Ohm's Law) but they almost pointedly don't say the same thing about less powerful power supplies. Is that just because if the laptop needs to supplement its power from the internal battery that will just increase wear, or is there another reason I'm missing?

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Posted on Aug 15, 2020 12:41 PM

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Aug 15, 2020 1:16 PM in response to Fean0r

https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-16/specs/


Its internal battery is rated 99.8 W·h (footnote 2)


An external power supply rated equal to or greater than the one included with your Mac will work. Anything less than it may not be able to run the Mac and charge the battery simultaneously.


A Mac's power consumption is a function of what it's doing therefore a more definitive answer that what Apple describes in the Support document BobTheFisherman provided is not possible.

Aug 15, 2020 1:10 PM in response to BobTheFisherman

Because I don't care if the battery won't charge when using the laptop, or will only charge slowly when not using the laptop. I'm wondering about getting a 45W or 60W PD battery bank for use on the go - my thinking is that if I use it when the internal battery is fully, or nearly fully, charged it should still give me a lot of extra usage time even if the internal battery is used as well as the battery bank.


It might even reduce ageing on the internal battery, compared with just running off the internal one, by reducing current load on the internal battery.


Obviously, if the laptop's processor and GPU etc are using more than 45W or 60W when the internal battery is drained that'd cause a problem which is the reason for my question about system power consumption not including charging the internal battery.

Aug 15, 2020 2:16 PM in response to Fean0r

Right. An EE with PE licenses in three US states specializing in power system design probably doesn't know what he's talking about. Please enlighten us about what's going on under the hood with power management.


Furthermore, that would mean that the 99.8 Wh internal battery would only last about an hour when doing demanding tasks which I don't find very likely.


What you find unlikely is in fact 100% correct if 99.8 W is continuously used for an hour. Credit Apple magic.

Aug 15, 2020 2:47 PM in response to Fean0r

The Mac's internal battery is a packaged unit whose power output is limited by internal, inaccessible hardware. It can provide that power for a period of one hour, or less than that for a longer period of time. Hence the 99.8 W·h rating Apple publishes. If it were not so limited it could produce power that would exceed the Mac's thermal design limits: 100 W has to be safely dissipated throughout its published environmental limits. If it can't, it shuts down.


Any computer's activities are characteristically intermittent so it is extremely unlikely anyone will ever encounter 100 W continuously for a period of an entire hour. Nevertheless there are plenty of complaints about battery life, as a consequence of using notoriously inefficient, popular apps: Adobe, Google, Zoom in particular.

Aug 16, 2020 12:04 AM in response to John Galt

I get all that in your first sentence, that's basically the idea of Watt-hours. I don't really understand how that links to the thermal characteristics of the Macbook though - my understanding is that the battery's capacity is limited by airline carry-on limits of 100Wh, and I think the PSU is limited either by USB-C specifications and/or by the physics of keeping the PSU block small enough to be portable.

I've come across plenty of battery life complaints of people saying it only lasted 4 hours or so but can't find any reports that battery life when rendering or gaming is just a couple of hours, but maybe that's the case.

Aug 15, 2020 2:14 PM in response to John Galt

The Wh of the battery doesn't tell us anything about the question I'm asking. I can only presume you don't fully understand what Watt-hours are?


A more definitive answer to what Apple describes in the support document absolutely is possible if you understand electronics, electrical principles and computer components. And there must be more going on under the hood with power management than is first apparent, because on the face of it 96W isn't enough to run the CPU and GPU at full tilt along with the rest of the system.


To explain, the TDP of the i9 in the MBP is 45W, which considering that's with all cores running at base frequency that seems to leave plenty of headroom - but the TDP of the 5500M is another 50W, theoretically leaving no headroom for the rest of the system, not least the screen.


Furthermore, all this would also mean that the 99.8 Wh internal battery would only last about an hour when doing demanding tasks which I don't find very likely.


Anyway, never mind - I think this is best answered by experiment, and if it's not something anyone's played with I'll be able to run my own experiments using coconutBattery once my laptop arrives.

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