Is there a limit to the amount of photos and videos in the Photos Library App

I get the spinning wheel when I open Photos. Am wondering if it will crash because of too many photos. Is it possible to make a new library and still have the current one on the iMac and use both at the same time or alternate / toggle between the 2. I believe I have about 73,000+ photos and 800 videos. I have an iMac 27 5K. If there is no limit of photos / videos in Photos where do I find out if I have enough space on the computer to have a large photo collection?

iMac 27″ 5K, macOS 10.15

Posted on Sep 2, 2020 8:01 PM

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Posted on Sep 3, 2020 2:26 AM

There are several possible reasons why Photos may be slow, when you open your Photos Library.

  • If you just recently upgraded to Catalina Photos may still be upgrading the library. This can take a few weeks until Photos is back to normal for a library as large as yours.
  • You may still have legacy media on your Photos Library, that Photos can no longer handle after the upgrade. Some codecs have been deprecated by the Catalina upgrade and Photos can no longer process some video formats or image formats that used to be supported by the earlier system versions. For example, you should remove all PDF files from the library. (How to Weed out Legacy Media in Photos for Mac - Apple Community)
  • If your photos are in a RAW format, photos may be slow, if the RAW processing has changed. My Mac is currently slow as molasses, when I try to edit the DNG files in my library, because Photos is reprocessing them with the updated RAW support.
  • Photos needs a lot of free storage in addition to the size of the Photos Library itself. The storage needs to be free, not just available. You may want to check with Disk Utility, as the Finder is only showing "available" storage, not the unused storage. How much storage is free on your system volume and the volume with your Photos Library? On my Mac with the least storage Photos is unbearably slow, if the free storage is dropping below 40GB, even if the Finder is showing 100GB available, but it looks like the system will not purge the the storage to free it immediately, if needed. (This will probably depend on the size of the library. My library has currently 55000 photos and 300 videos). Most of the "available" storage may need purging, and that does not always seem to work.
  • Photos may be a bit slower, if your image files are huge, for example large RAW files or TIFF files. When I am working with huge TIFFs, larger than 100 MB, Photos is beach balling a lot.
  • Photos may be slow, if you have hundred of smart albums, that need to scan the whole library for updating. In a large library I would be frugal with smart albums and delete the smart albums I do not need continually.
  • Are you using iCloud Photos? During the past week Photos has been very slow on one of my Macs, where I am using an optimised iCloud Photos Library. It took very long to download the originals from Apple's cloud servers.


As far as I can tell, the size of Photos Library matters, for several reasons:

  • The larger the library, the harder it will be to maintain it: Updating the library, repairing the library, backing it up, moving it to a new drive. The background processes after an upgrade will take considerably longer for a large library.
  • And you need more additional free disk storage as working storage, when repairing the library or syncing it with iCloud.
  • Processes searching the whole library may take longer, like smart albums.
  • Some parts of the user interface in Photos have not been designed with a large library in mind. The People album cannot be sorted automatically or structured in any way, and with nearly thousand of named people it is barely usable. The list of keywords is just a flat list, and the more keywords we define, the harder it will get tu use them.


I would not let a Photos library become larger than it needs to be, to make it easier to maintain it. We need all photos and videos together in one library, that we need to use together. But if we can split the library thematically into separate sets of related items, we should do it, for example separate private photos from work related photos. I have archive libraries with all photos for each year, and a system photo library with all photos over the years to sync with all devices, but only the favourites.

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Sep 3, 2020 2:26 AM in response to mmbak

There are several possible reasons why Photos may be slow, when you open your Photos Library.

  • If you just recently upgraded to Catalina Photos may still be upgrading the library. This can take a few weeks until Photos is back to normal for a library as large as yours.
  • You may still have legacy media on your Photos Library, that Photos can no longer handle after the upgrade. Some codecs have been deprecated by the Catalina upgrade and Photos can no longer process some video formats or image formats that used to be supported by the earlier system versions. For example, you should remove all PDF files from the library. (How to Weed out Legacy Media in Photos for Mac - Apple Community)
  • If your photos are in a RAW format, photos may be slow, if the RAW processing has changed. My Mac is currently slow as molasses, when I try to edit the DNG files in my library, because Photos is reprocessing them with the updated RAW support.
  • Photos needs a lot of free storage in addition to the size of the Photos Library itself. The storage needs to be free, not just available. You may want to check with Disk Utility, as the Finder is only showing "available" storage, not the unused storage. How much storage is free on your system volume and the volume with your Photos Library? On my Mac with the least storage Photos is unbearably slow, if the free storage is dropping below 40GB, even if the Finder is showing 100GB available, but it looks like the system will not purge the the storage to free it immediately, if needed. (This will probably depend on the size of the library. My library has currently 55000 photos and 300 videos). Most of the "available" storage may need purging, and that does not always seem to work.
  • Photos may be a bit slower, if your image files are huge, for example large RAW files or TIFF files. When I am working with huge TIFFs, larger than 100 MB, Photos is beach balling a lot.
  • Photos may be slow, if you have hundred of smart albums, that need to scan the whole library for updating. In a large library I would be frugal with smart albums and delete the smart albums I do not need continually.
  • Are you using iCloud Photos? During the past week Photos has been very slow on one of my Macs, where I am using an optimised iCloud Photos Library. It took very long to download the originals from Apple's cloud servers.


As far as I can tell, the size of Photos Library matters, for several reasons:

  • The larger the library, the harder it will be to maintain it: Updating the library, repairing the library, backing it up, moving it to a new drive. The background processes after an upgrade will take considerably longer for a large library.
  • And you need more additional free disk storage as working storage, when repairing the library or syncing it with iCloud.
  • Processes searching the whole library may take longer, like smart albums.
  • Some parts of the user interface in Photos have not been designed with a large library in mind. The People album cannot be sorted automatically or structured in any way, and with nearly thousand of named people it is barely usable. The list of keywords is just a flat list, and the more keywords we define, the harder it will get tu use them.


I would not let a Photos library become larger than it needs to be, to make it easier to maintain it. We need all photos and videos together in one library, that we need to use together. But if we can split the library thematically into separate sets of related items, we should do it, for example separate private photos from work related photos. I have archive libraries with all photos for each year, and a system photo library with all photos over the years to sync with all devices, but only the favourites.

Sep 3, 2020 2:04 PM in response to léonie

WOW, you are a wealth of information. :)) I have some feedback & questions for the first bullet points then later I'll have some for the last 4 bullets. Just figuring all this out. I wish they'd give classes or tutorials on how to manage our libraries better. I'm sure there are a lot like me that just have piles of photos and no real organization etc.

  • I'll read up on the Legacy photos later but I assume you mean really old photos?
  • Not sure what Raw is...more professional photos? I just have a Canon powershot SX 510.
  • I found the Disk Utility but it had 3 items on it: Mac HD said 618gb avail. Mac HD- Data said 618 gb avail. then there was the WD Discovery ... (I assume the time machine or backup connection ? ) said 321 mb used and only 32.5 free?? My back up drive is a 1 tb I believe.
  • My photos say jpeg...so not sure about the tiff (similar to the png files) or the Raw.
  • Luckily I don't use the smart albums or I cloud.

I hope this helps. I guess I need clarification on what I am looking at in the disk utility. But so far it seems like I have enough space on my computer for my photos library. I am concerned that the older photos in my library my disappear due to the legacy issue but I will read up on that. Thank you.


The last 4 bullet points you bring up:

Free disk storage... are there other things I can / how to purge other then photos, I noticed when I looked at the storage under the apple icon I had a lot under the Documents? Is that everything from downloading photos and pdfs from emails to things we save off the internet? How can I go through that to free up disk space?


I like the idea of having all my photos in one place lie you say but worried about too large of a library. Since it's mostly personal (dogs/family/our outdoor activities and scenery) and not work photos . I was thinking thematically the best way to separate libraries was the year 2020 and on was the new library. Something easy to remember since it's also a year of a move and also getting a macbook pro for where where are going (and my iMac stays here) .


So... if I make a new library. I should backup my current one to a hard drive but how do I do that without the time machine. I just want the photos from that library (not the thumbnail version we see in our Photos app). Then I can make a new systems library for the new decade and on I guess. Is that the way to do it?

Thank you.



Sep 2, 2020 9:04 PM in response to mmbak

The architecture of the Photos library is said to be capable of managing a million items, given enough resources (such as storage, memory, and CPU). I have somewhat more items in my Photos library, and my 27" 5K iMac handles it just fine.


Yes, you can have two or more Photos library on the same Mac user account and switch among them. You cannot have more than one open at a time, and only one can be the System Photo Library, allowing connection to iCloud and access through the Media Browser.


You can find out if you currently have enough space available on your iMac by choosing About This Mac from the Apple menu, then clicking the "Storage" tab. You would like to see a substantial amount available (shown as the dark area at the right end of the bar graph); 20% or more available would be plenty.

Sep 3, 2020 1:23 PM in response to mmbak

I checked my storage from the Apple icon. I have a 1 TB Fusion drive and it says I have 627.72 gb available to use. Documents take up most with 282.53 gb and Photos with 134.28 gb. I have 8 GB memory as well. Not sure where to find the CPU info (not very computer oriented) .

I follow what you mean about having only one systems library and only 1 open at a time. Where would I go in and switch to that? Photos Preference to switch back and forth if I decide to have 2 libraries. Is there a way to label them so I know which is the older one?

Sep 3, 2020 3:29 PM in response to mmbak

My opinion is that 8GB of RAM and the use of a Fusion drive are some underlying reasons you're experiencing poor performance with a large library.


27" 5K iMacs can have the RAM upgraded fairly easily. The hardest part is pushing that darn button to pop open the cover to the memory slots.


That Fusion drive is a different story. Depending on which model year you have, upgrading the internal drive may not be possible but I think any 27" with a Fusion can be upgraded albeit with some difficulty involving removing the screen and some internal components - best left to the pros.


But, you don't have to get an internal drive upgrade. You could do what I did which is get an external SSD. My Fusion drive was really frustrating me with my 700 GB photo library so I bought a 2 TB Samsung T5. Sandisk also makes a really good external SSD - the Sandisk Extreme Portable. Drive performance is easily 10x faster even over USB 3 than the internal Fusion drive. If you want to take performance up another notch, you could get a Thunderbolt SSD but they get pretty pricey. A 1 TB Samsung or Sandisk USB 3 SSD runs about $150. A Thunderbolt version would probably be about double or more that price.


I think these upgrades would improve your experience. You seem to have plenty of free space on your Fusion drive but it's just not living up to your expectations.


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