New GMT face

Is it just me, or is something not quite right in the new GMT face? My understanding of a GMT watch is that the red hand is somewhat like an hour hand, however it does a 360 degree sweep in 24 hours instead of 12 hours. E.g. pointing straight up should be 00:00 GMT, whilst at 12:00 GMT the hand should be pointing straight down.


Playing around with the watch face, it appears to me like the red hand is instead pointing to the current time in London which is British Summer Time (GMT + 1).


It's 13:00 in London now, which means it's 12:00 GMT. The red hand is not pointing straight down, it's actually pointing at the 13:00 indicator.


Is this a bug, or is my understanding of the watch face misplaced?

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Posted on Sep 16, 2020 5:04 AM

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Posted on Sep 24, 2020 2:05 AM

I think the way Apple's GMT watch face works is confusing (and different to most GMT watches). Many of the responses on this thread are not quite right and people are unnecessarily confused by the implementation.


Below I will refer to the alternate time as GMT (it could be any alternate time choosable).


The way most GMT watches works (and how I think the Apple GMT Face should work) is like this:

  • Separate bezel numbered up to 24
  • The GMT bezel doesn't have to move (and usually doesn't)
  • The GMT hand indicates the 24 hour time
  • If it is12 noon GMT the GMT hand would point straight down (to regular the regular 6 is)


Currently the Apple GMT Watch Face GMT bezel rotates (apparently to indicate offset from your current time zone) and the GMT hand only goes between 1 and 12 with the colour of the GMT bezel used as a guide as to whether it would be night or day (am/pm).


Apple could rectify the issues by changing to the regular method I have described or at least providing the option to have a fixed or offset GMT bezel in the face options.


An important user group of watch faces like this are pilots who use UTC for precise, reliable and consistent time sharing. For pilot's the world over the time is the same (UTC time) and it is stated in 24hr format. Apple, please label the GMT bezel up to 24 or have the number in the circle (at the end of the GMT hand) going from 00 up to 23. eg. 15 minutes after midnight UTC is zero zero one five (WATCH should show 00) and 1045pmUTC is 2245 (should show 22). Hopefully you get the idea.


Examples:



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Sep 25, 2020 5:23 AM in response to mgrad92

IMHO - in this case I want the horse to still alive when I’m using it for a professional purpose, I don’t want the horse to lay down and die!


At least the “old horse”, (automatic watch) keeps running, vs. the “latest steed” (the Apple Watch) which barely lasts on an all day international trip from (example) Newark to Sydney, or Chicago - Joberg, or working all day domestic flights without worrying about charging the darned thing.


And as one poster pointed out, now this is becoming a “gas bagging session”...

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yes, I still think my Apple Watch is nice, I’ll use it on ALL of my fitness sessions from 20-100 mile bike rides, (but just about any bicycle ride above about 8 hours, the Apple Watch “craps out” - along with Apple Phone, have to use a battery backup pack for the phone otherwise it dies too, at least the Apple phone has a way to use an external battery pack - if one is actively using a fitness app, GPS and maybe music, the watch will NOT last. Example: Seattle - Portland one day ride (206 miles) - used the iWatch 4 last year, the watch died from a full charge at 0445PDT and died within 12 hours later, luckily the ride was almost over when it died and I charged the watch from the external battery pack from my iPhone. The Heart strap feeding into my riding partners Garmin kept delivering data throughout and after, while my Apple Watch died.


Sep 25, 2020 5:30 AM in response to C5Pilot

Cool watch!


My cousin was in the NASA Astronaut Corps - Naval Aviator, (ring knocker) Test Pilot, didn’t get to go up before he retired, but still tests airplanes for a private company, wears an Omega GMT. I asked him last night after I got back from an international trip what he thought of using an Apple Watch if he were to go to space. You can guess what he said...

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It would be great if the Apple Watch would last a few days. I might consider changing to it here on earth because of the utility of the watch. :)

Sep 25, 2020 5:38 AM in response to C5Pilot

Yes, the iPad is a great tool along with the EFIS displays. My company (as I’m sure many others and military) still carry paper backup approach plates/paper Nav charts in case the tech fails. (It would be several steps of course before “absolute” failure happened and most pilots I know still have an E6-B in their flight bags - rather be safe than sorry...)

Sep 30, 2020 12:56 PM in response to Tednol

The red hand shows whatever you select by double-tapping on the watch face and then selecting a timezone, any timezone of your choosing; i.e. I live in the EST timezone but have relatives in Germany so I select BER (with the little outside bezel) after I double tap on the watch face. Once you select a timezone, you'll have to tap on the little check mark to save it. In my case, the the red hand shows that BER (Berlin) is 6 hours ahead of my local time. To make it easier to recognize, I changed my watch to 24-hours via the watch app on my phone. So, if it's 3 p.m. in my EST zone, the red hand is on 21 (9:00 p.m.) for BER.

Oct 1, 2020 7:08 AM in response to mermeezur96

I don’t use the Apple Watch for work.


1. The battery doesn’t last long enough for what I need it for (professional aviation) without charging it periodically, and


2. The “GMT” dial is not what a traditional “GMT” dial looks like. Granted, the change to a dual time zone look is nothing new, but IMHO (and many others on this blog) appear to have the same opinion.


I wish Apple would have left the “GMT” dial the way professional people who use it, alone.


Oh well....


Oct 13, 2020 3:32 PM in response to birdguy45

A couple of comments that might be useful. First of all, while the red hand is only designed to give you a rough idea of what time it is, on the 24 hour dial, if you want to know the precise time just tap the watch, which brings up the interface to choose the time zone, but also shows the precise time in the selected time zone.


what I don’t understand, however, is the two colors on the dial. They don’t seem to correspond to anything. At one point, I thought they indicated sunrise and sunset, but if I change the outer dial time zone, then change it back to where I had it before, the covers have moved. Here’s a screenshot right now: I am in the UK, and I have the outer dial just sent to current location.


sunrise tomorrow morning at 7:30 AM. Looking at the cover dial, it suggests that sunrise is about 4:30 AM.


if I send it to UTC, which is an hour earlier, here’s what it displays:



So those colored sections really make no sense.

Oct 16, 2020 11:35 AM in response to Kirk McElhearn

That is not normal, because on mine the colors perfectly correspond to the sunrise/sunset for my location if I set the outer bezel time zone to local. Also, I tried setting mine to London (I am in the US) and again the sunrise/sunset times for London, according to the Internet currently 7:29AM and 6:02 PM, matches the color change lines exactly, as you can see:

(by the way, my sunset in Utah, USA is 18:44 according to the complication in the upper right).


I leave my bezel timezone set to UTC so it is a GMT watch, and as you can see, it is properly an hour different from London (GMT+1) right now and showing the "sunrise/sunset" bands for UTC, even though that is technically not applicable for UTC as it is a timezone based on Greenwich mean time (GMT) without daylight savings time adjustments and used globally with various local sunrise sunset times it will not match:


I can't imagine why yours is behaving so differently. Maybe try rebooting the watch or resetting to factory defaults and setting up again.

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