bootcamp and M1

sailingbikeruk wrote:

This is a bit confusing. macOS Big Sur is U*ix. Parallels/Fusion/VirtualBox support U*ix. WiNE emulates Windows. ESXi

and Xen both allow U*ix. Can you clarify your statement.

I accept that there are Unix like systems that have been written for or ported to x86 but the point is that they have had to be re-written, you can't take AIX and run it on a virtual platform because it is specifically for IBM pSeries, similarly with Sun Microsystems, they ported their OS to x86 but the original doesn't run natively so wont run on a virtual platform.

Ah! If the OS source is written using Ritchie/Kernighan standard C, with some ASM directives specific to each piece of hardware or a HAL layer is used, it is possible to run the same OS on many hardware platforms, using the native instruction set of the hardware.

Linux does this very well. If an OS is installed using binaries (Solaris SPARC or IBM AIX p-series) then, by definition, it cannot be installed on any other hardware. For example, HP-UX was ported from PA-RISC after HP acquired Tandem Himalayas. There have been proprietary OSes (many to name) which have tried to support multiple CPU architectures.

It could all change and become fairly academic if Microsoft decide to follow Apple wholesale to ARM and port Windows to that architecture (which it seems is already done for the Surface). It's not a great leap and there is more of a call for light portable devices with longer battery life - it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

Such requirements are becoming important to allow revenue growth.

As things stand - Bootcamp won't work and no current virtualisation will work and allow x86 programs on ARM Architecture.

Unless Parallels and VMware Fusion follow the HAL route.

Updates on a potential solution:

Codeweavers, makers of CrossOver, released a blog entry this week saying they got Quicken, Team Fortress and The Witcher 3 (among other Windows apps) running on M1 (MacBook Air).

Might not be perfect yet, but it opens a door of possibilities for the future.

https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/jwhite/2020/11/18/okay-im-on-the-bandwagon-apple-silicon-is-officially-cool

Unfortunately this does not resolve the issue for me. I need an actual windows environment for corporate needs. VPN, MFA, and God knows however other **** many security layers they keep pushing out on us seemingly monthly.

Just being able to run a Windows app is not the issue. Being able to work in the windows environment IS the issue.

Until I can replicate my corporate environment, i.e. Boot Camp or a VERY fast Parallels or fusion, I just can't trade in this map for a new one. And I can't afford the full cost without Trading in. It's $700 more that I just don't have.

The loss of Boot Camp is a huge kick in the weebles for me.

Incidentally, sievebrain, the Intel based «Mac Pro Desktop» isn’t going away any time soon (well, no sooner than a couple of years, at least).

The «Mac Pro Desktop» (and the iMac Pro) will, almost certainly, be the last to transition off the Intel platform.

So, you’ll have plenty of time to upgrade while staying on Intel, if that’s what you continue to need.

This also provides plenty of time for other developments!

GoldenDoggiesRule wrote:

Unfortunately this does not resolve the issue for me. I need an actual windows environment for corporate needs. VPN, MFA, and God knows however other **** many security layers they keep pushing out on us seemingly monthly.

Just being able to run a Windows app is not the issue. Being able to work in the windows environment IS the issue.

Until I can replicate my corporate environment, i.e. Boot Camp or a VERY fast Parallels or fusion, I just can't trade in this map for a new one. And I can't afford the full cost without Trading in. It's $700 more that I just don't have.

The loss of Boot Camp is a huge kick in the weebles for me.

It is not Apple's responsibility to provide you a Windows environment. If that is what you need then get yourself a Windows environment. Maybe the company will provide the proper tools you need to do your job if doing so yourself is not possible..

Halliday wrote:

Well, Loner T. I can’t seem to find where you stated that the Linux version, running on an Apple-Silicon based Mac, was an ARM version. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Loner T wrote:

Virtualization engines that have been ported to the M1 will support Windows. This is not the same as native booting of Windows via Bootcamp.

WWDC showed Linux using Parallels on a Mini using an ARM/M1 processor.

...on page 1.

Loner T wrote:

WWDC showed Linux using Parallels on a Mini using an ARM/M1 processor.

...on page 1.

That is precisely the comment to which I was first responding.

This makes no mention of the nature of the Linux implementation, at all.

Yes, it was «on a Mini using an ARM… processor» (actually not the M1, but a predecessor [the chip from the iPad Pro, used in the Developer Preview Mac minis]), but leaves it ambiguous whether it was a “normal” Linux (as in one for Intel), or a Linux compiled for ARM.

So, I was simply clarifying that that particular demonstration was using an ARM implementation of Linux.

LMAO WOOOOOOW !

Why even include bootcamp in M1 if we can't even use it ?!

Parrallels is expecting to release a test software later this year for m1 testing. They'll gradually reach out to users.

You can sign up here : https://b2b.parallels.com/Apple-Silicon?_gl=1*dh5f6o*_gcl_aw*R0NMLjE2MDcxOTY5MDguQ2p3S0NBaUFfS3otQlJBSkVpd0FoSk5ZNzhHei1XMm5vS2VHY2lKSHNkanl1MnRBbmpUeXRCQll3WFRrcVFPSy1iQUNScUR4ajcyXzRSb0MyWXNRQXZEX0J3RQ..&_ga=2.200723625.666667497.1607196908-1144143885.1607196908&_gac=1.119123707.1607196908.CjwKCAiA_Kz-BRAJEiwAhJNY78Gz-W2noKeGciJHsdjyu2tAnjTytBBYwXTkqQOK-bACRqDxj72_4RoC2YsQAvD_BwE

MIstah_Broadway wrote:

LMAO WOOOOOOW !

Why even include bootcamp in M1 if we can't even use it ?!

Because it uses the same MacOS as other Macs that can use Boot Camp. Do you want to pay for development and distribution of a unique OS? There are features in the OS on any computer that can't be used because of hardware differences.

If I could I would I'm actually in the process of submitting a feedback form.

Hopefully we can see bootcamp as an app we can install and there wouldn't be many changes involved.

I feeeeeel you tho big dawg

I want to know too !!

Bootcamp is not supported on non-Intel Macs.

Even though M1 loses Bootcamp, keep in mind however that it gains iPhone and iPad apps compatibility, opening up a pretty huge app ecosystem.