Compatibility - Charger provided with the MacBook Pro 13" M3 chip

Hi all, Does anyone know if the charger provided with the new silicon MacBook Pro 13" (M3 chip) is able to produce the optimal charging protocol required for the new MagSafe Charger? I understand the MagSafe Charger requires "9V/2.22A or 9V/2.56A and higher" to achieve it faster charging capabilities. Previous versions of Apple's 61W USB‑C Power Adapter do not have this protocol. I very much hope Apple is taking care of early adopters.


Posted on Nov 10, 2020 9:09 PM

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Nov 10, 2020 11:29 PM in response to important_thoughts

The thing is, important_thoughts, that a «9V-3A» specification will provide the necessary result, since the 3A is purely the limit: if the system receiving the power does not draw the entire 3A, that works just fine!


The 3A is purely a set limit. A current limit, for safety purposes.


Hence, it fulfills the «9V/2.56A and higher» part of the specification.


(This is part of why I decried the non-standard way the specification was written.)

Nov 10, 2020 9:42 PM in response to Halliday

Hi Halliday, Thanks for your comments. I think you may be mistaken; though I hope you are not. The charging protocol is the critical issue. Please see below.


Apple webpage: How to use your MagSafe Charger with iPhone 12 models


Link:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211829


Section: Compatible power adapters for up to 15W faster wireless charging

  • "USB-C connector. USB-A is not supported
  • 9V/2.22A or 9V/2.56A and higher
  • iPhone 12 mini can get up to 12W for faster wireless charging with at least 9V/2.03A
  • Higher wattage adapters at or above 9V/2.56A will also deliver a maximum of up to 15W peak power to iPhone 12*

When Lightning accessories such as headphones are connected, charging is limited to 7.5W to comply with regulatory standards.

* The MagSafe Charger will also function with power adapters that provide a minimum 12W (5V/2.4A) of power, but this will result in slower charging."




Nov 10, 2020 10:19 PM in response to Halliday

important_thoughts:


In order for USB (C or otherwise) to go beyond 15W, it must use the USB Power Delivery (PD) specification of USB-C.


So, the only way the 61W USB-C Power Adapter could deliver 61W is to either use the USB PD specification of USB-C, or to do something non-standard.


It doesn’t make any sense for Apple to have done anything non-standard, since this specification has been around as long as there has been USB-C.

Nov 10, 2020 11:19 PM in response to Halliday

Halliday, thank for your comments.


Points of clarification:

The power supply provided on the new silicon MacBook Pro does not have to supply the specific protocol required by the iPhone MagSafe charge (9V - 2.2A) to achieve 61W. The OUTPUT of the power supply may be limited to USB PD:20.3V-3A,15V-3A, 9V-3A, 5.2V-3A


20.3V-3A gets you to the 61W.


Apple is found wanting:

There is simply a lack of transparency by Apple on this. They omit the technical information of the charging protocols provided on power supplies - including the one they supply with the new silicon MacBook Pro on their website. Hence the post.


Important thoughts and questions:

So, in the interest of the environment and integration of Apple products, the question remains: -


Does the charger provided with the new silicon MacBook Pro 13" (M3 chip) produce the optimal charging protocol ("9V/2.22A or 9V/2.56A and higher") required for the new iPhone MagSafe Charger?

Nov 11, 2020 1:07 AM in response to important_thoughts

The only real problems, important_thoughts, are:

  1. Your apparent lack of understanding of electrical systems, particularly power systems.
  2. The poor writing of that AppleInsider piece you linked to. (This may or may not reflect the author’s own poor understanding of electrical systems, particularly power systems.)


Given these, it is understandable why you have the “unanswered” questions you have expressed, and, hence, why it would help you if Apple provided the information you feel is lacking.


Hence, to the extent you do not wish to trust me (why should you?), I recommend you pose your query directly to Apple Support (the Contact Support link in the upper right of this page).


After all, we are all but fellow users, like yourself, here.


We don’t have any special knowledge of questions pertaining to Apple internal affairs.

Nov 10, 2020 10:03 PM in response to important_thoughts

The newest iPhone has the charger with new name, MagSafe.

This is not anything like prior MacBook-series 'magsafe' devices.


In name-only the latest charger is introduced, and does not work

the same; nor with any portable Mac computers. ..USB-C replaced

MagSafe-corded power adapters for portable Macs.. ~ If there may

be a re-introduction of classic "MagSafe" mac, it's unannounced.


Take care & good luck!🌻

Nov 10, 2020 10:47 PM in response to Halliday

important_thoughts:


Here’s a graph of how the USB Power Delivery (PD) specification of USB-C handles various power requirements:

(Obtained from USB Power Delivery explained.)


Unfortunately, the various horizontal line segments should not be in the graph: they make absolutely no sense.


So, in order to attain 61W (or even 60W, say, with a 1W internal loss), the adapter must be able to supply 5, 9, 15, and 20 volt (V) power options.

Nov 11, 2020 1:43 AM in response to Halliday

I attempted to contact Apple support and it referred me here.


You sir, in response to my enquiries sought to frame my question in such a manner to essentially invalidate my question with your comments that I, and the author of an article in Apple Insider, were the only real problem. You then fail to recognise the of offence and decline the opportunity to withdraw and reword your post.


Really, Halliday? The provocative comments are more than clumsy and unhelpful. Displaying a little bit of class or style would be helpful. My questions remain..

Nov 10, 2020 9:35 PM in response to important_thoughts

Welcome, important_thoughts, to Apple Support Communities!


As an aside, it’s the M1 chip or processor (actually, a System on a Chip [SoC]).


The included power adapter is:

  • 61W USB-C Power Adapter


This is more than adequate for the MagSafe Charging pad, as well as Fast Charging an iPhone 12 (any ilk).


The requirement for Fast Charging of an iPhone 12 (any ilk) simply requires a 20W Power Adapter, or greater, as per Apple’s specifications.


Additionally, the MagSafe Charger cannot provide the Fast Charging that Apple talks about, for the iPhone 12 (any ilk). You must use a cable to the iPhone 12 to attain Fast Charging.


Where did you get your claimed «”9V/2.22A or 9V/2.56A and higher"» specifications?

Nov 10, 2020 10:06 PM in response to important_thoughts

Thank you for providing the reference, important_thoughts.


The real question is whether the 61W USB-C Power Adapter is a «USB PD-compatible power adapter.»


If not, it may not be able to supply the higher line voltage (9V, rather than the standard 5V).


(Incidentally, the way that linked document expresses the power requirements is far from standard. That’s my primary reason for questioning it.)


I know that the USB-C specification permits up to 100W power, but I hadn’t noticed that there was any specification of voltages greater than 5V.


I’ll look further into “USB PD-compatible power adapters”. Actually using the USB Power Delivery (PD) specification of USB-C.

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