What data does Big Sur send to Apple?

I read something potentially alarming how that Big Sur now secretly sends data to Apple. The the alleged data contains information about what a users is doing and when they are doing it. I would like to know if this is true and if this can it be turned on/off.


Additionally the blog post alleges that this activity can't be disabled and can even get around VPNs. This claim sounds sensational as I know that Apple is a company that values privacy.


Until I get an official answer, I am going to hold off moving to Big Sur or on the purchase of any new devices that run Big Sur. I am assuming this is something you have to grant Apple permission to do on install, but I would like more information.

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Posted on Nov 13, 2020 3:25 PM

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Nov 17, 2020 3:43 AM in response to Proudrooster

Apple Officially Replied Today and admitted they were sending data usage information along with your unique IP address.


However Apple has explained the purpose of these changes and claim it is mostly to keep malicious software and Fortnite off of your computer. Apple committed to respect privacy and to that end Apple will stop tracking a users unique IP address and Apple claims they will delete any IPs they have collected. They will also introduce an opt-out for Big Sur users at a later date.


Prior to these changes, this was creepy data collection system and Apple's next logical step was to turn your Mac into an iPhone/iPad where you could only run software downloaded from the app store. It is good to know they are listening. Now I just wish Apple would sell authorized parts for my older MacBook Pro for less than the cost of a new computer.


The Article: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491



Nov 13, 2020 3:49 PM in response to Proudrooster

That link is little more than an internet conspiracy theory.


First of all, it has nothing to do with Big Sur. The problem the other day was caused by nobody being able to download and install Big Sur. People who were affected (which is not everyone by the way - I didn’t notice a thing) weren’t actually running Big Sur yet.


Secondly, this is a critical part of macOS security. Apple is checking to make sure that you are running an app whose certificate has been revoked. That only happens when Apple discovers that malware has been distributed with a valid security certificate. Apple now requires these certificates just for this purpose - so they can revoke them, if necessary.


Don’t believe everything you see on the internet. And if it is about Apple, be extra suspicious. Why do you think there were so many problems anyway? Nothing generates more hype than Apple. And when something goes wrong, people want to capitalize on Apple’s hype by posting nonsense like that.

Nov 13, 2020 8:01 PM in response to etresoft

This answer is a typical gaslighting strategy attempting to do damage control. The problem with the apple servers brought to surface the fact the OS sends unencrypted information about the software one runs on her/his own computer, every time those programs run. Read the details in the article.


This is not right, to put it mildly. At another level, it is creepy and I feel violated.


If I knew this, I would not have bought my MBP 2 months ago.




Nov 13, 2020 8:30 PM in response to Proudrooster

I came to the conclusion that if you want and value privacy, you have to use a linux computer & distribution. Unfortunately for practical reasons (availability of certain software that we use), we have to use windows, macos. Apple goes to a direction where they want to make the macOs as locked down as mobile devices, i.e. the point where you can only run software vetted by Apple. This is bad on so many levels.


I paid $$$$ for a device that spies on me.

Nov 14, 2020 5:34 AM in response to Proudrooster

Proudrooster wrote:

There were two problems.

1. The Big Sur download problem

You think?

2. Once Big Sur was installed, programs wouldn't open on computer connected to the Internet due to the new reporting software servers at Apple being bogged down.

False. Due to #1, nobody had actually managed to install Big Sur. The people who did experience this problem experienced on earlier versions of the operating system.

I still want an official response on this from Apple, it sounds sketchy and anti-privacy, especially since the data is going to a 3rd party.

Completely false.

Nov 17, 2020 6:49 AM in response to Proudrooster

Proudrooster wrote:

However Apple has explained the purpose of these changes and claim it is mostly to keep malicious software and Fortnite off of your computer.

Hilarious!


I hate to break it to you, but if you don't want Apple collecting your IP address, you are going to have to discontinue your use of a few more services, in addition to basic security. You will need to disconnect your e-mail, your text messages, your photos, your music, your maps, your contacts, and the rest of your iCloud files. And that's just Apple. All the people freaked out over Apple's data collection practices are going to totally lose it when they find out about what Google, Facebook, and the advertising industry does with your IP address.

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