Extending Home Network

Hi


I have been having trouble with my home network lately. My home is quite long and on two different levels, previously I had a mixture of wired ethernet and wireless set up, but I wasn't getting a robust signal at the far end of my house (where my office is situated). I decided to wire up everything instead of relying on wifi to reach all but the furthest points. In the process of doing so, I have managed to muck up the network which I set up incrementally over a few years, most of the settings I fail to remember.


Here's what I'm trying to achieve -


For some reason, switching from WiFi between the Time Capsule and 2 Airport Express units (which were previously connected wirelessly) isn't working. I have done a hard reset on each device and individually tried to re-connect them, but with little success. Each device is in a separate room (in red on the diagram)



Can anyone please suggest which is the best series of settings for each Airport Unit please?


Many Thanks


John

Posted on Dec 14, 2020 4:15 PM

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Posted on Dec 15, 2020 9:45 AM

Excellent.


Pick one of the AirPort Express devices and connect the Ethernet cable to the WAN "O" port on the Express

Power up the Express and let it run a minute

Perform a Hard Reset on the Express if you have not already done so


Locate the MBP so that it is in the general area of the AirPort Express. Ideally, the MBP will be located about half way between the TC and the AirPort Express but this is not all that critical.


Open AirPort Utility and then click on the Other WiFi Devices button

Click on AirPort Express xxxxxx


That will get the setup wizard running. It will take a few seconds to analyze the network and then present a screen that looks like the example below, except that you will see your devices displayed and the name of your wireless network.





Type in a short simple device name that you want to call the AirPort Express

Click Next


Watch the next screen that appears very carefully to see that the AirPort Express is being set up to extend using Ethernet. This will confirm that the setup wizard has picked up the Ethernet cable connection between the TC and the Express so the correct settings will be applied to the AirPort Express.





When you see the message of Setup Complete, click Done.

Should be a green light on the Express at this point


Move your MBP close to the AirPort Express and log onto your wireless network

Open AirPort Utility and then click on the AirPort Express

In the smaller window that appears, you should see the MBP appear as a Wireless Client of the AirPort Express


If you plan to use the other LAN Ethernet port on the Express, turn off the WiFi on the MBP and connect the MBP to the Ethernet port on the Express using a short spare Ethernet cable to make sure that you can get a good Internet connection that way.


Post back on your progress.


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Dec 15, 2020 9:45 AM in response to John Wilkie

Excellent.


Pick one of the AirPort Express devices and connect the Ethernet cable to the WAN "O" port on the Express

Power up the Express and let it run a minute

Perform a Hard Reset on the Express if you have not already done so


Locate the MBP so that it is in the general area of the AirPort Express. Ideally, the MBP will be located about half way between the TC and the AirPort Express but this is not all that critical.


Open AirPort Utility and then click on the Other WiFi Devices button

Click on AirPort Express xxxxxx


That will get the setup wizard running. It will take a few seconds to analyze the network and then present a screen that looks like the example below, except that you will see your devices displayed and the name of your wireless network.





Type in a short simple device name that you want to call the AirPort Express

Click Next


Watch the next screen that appears very carefully to see that the AirPort Express is being set up to extend using Ethernet. This will confirm that the setup wizard has picked up the Ethernet cable connection between the TC and the Express so the correct settings will be applied to the AirPort Express.





When you see the message of Setup Complete, click Done.

Should be a green light on the Express at this point


Move your MBP close to the AirPort Express and log onto your wireless network

Open AirPort Utility and then click on the AirPort Express

In the smaller window that appears, you should see the MBP appear as a Wireless Client of the AirPort Express


If you plan to use the other LAN Ethernet port on the Express, turn off the WiFi on the MBP and connect the MBP to the Ethernet port on the Express using a short spare Ethernet cable to make sure that you can get a good Internet connection that way.


Post back on your progress.


Dec 15, 2020 7:34 AM in response to John Wilkie

TC is first to be set up. We'll assume that the Ethernet cable from the EE router to the TC is working correctly. If you want to test to be sure, connect your MBP directly to the Ethernet cable from the EE router, make sure that the WiFi is turned "Off" on the MBP and check to make sure that the MBP can get an Internet connection this way. If it can, then you know the Ethernet cable is working correctly. You can turn the WiFi back "On" at the MBP now.


Connect the Ethernet cable from the EE router to the WAN "O" port on the TC

Power up the TC and let it run for a minute or two


Open AirPort Utility on your Mac Finder > Applications > Utilities > AirPort Utility

Click on the Other WiFi Devices button in the upper left corner of the window

Click on Time Capsule xxxxxx. It might also say AirPort Time Capsule xxxxxxx depending on the version that you have




When you click on Time Capsule, that will start up the AirPort Utility setup "wizard". The wizard will take a few seconds to analyze the network and then display a screen that looks like the example below except that you will see a Time Capsule pictured.





Network Name.......Type in a short simple name for the wireless network that the TC will create. Avoid using special characters in the name. For example, the name of my wireless network is "TWNDB".


A poor name would be something like "John's Red Apple Wireless Network". Too long, an apostrophe, etc.


Base Station Name......Type in a short simple device name for the Time Capsule. The name of my Time Capsule is "TC", for example


Password......Type in a password for the Time Capsule wireless network


Verify......Type in the same password again to confirm


Click Next, and give the Time Capsule a minute to restart. Should be a green light on the Time Capsule at this point


Important......the setup "wizard" will set up the Time Capsule in a Network Mode of Off (Bridge Mode). We'll need to change that in the next series of steps, but for now post back to confirm that you have a green light on the Time Capsule.

Dec 15, 2020 4:21 PM in response to John Wilkie

The first thing that I would recommend is to change the IPv6 settings on the Time Capsule and AirPort Expresses from "Automatic',......which are sometimes not so automatic.......to a setting of Link Local Only.


To do that on the Time Capsule and each of the AirPort Expresses one at a time:


Open AirPort Utility, select the device by clicking on it, then click Edit in the smaller window that appears

Click on the Internet tab at the top of the window

Click on the Internet Options button near the bottom of the window

Change the setting for Configure IPV6 to Link Local Only

Click Save

Click Update at the lower right of the window and give the TC or AirPort a minute to restart





Dec 15, 2020 9:12 AM in response to John Wilkie

Excellent, the Time Capsule is now set up correctly for the network design that is best for your network.


Use your MBP to check the long Ethernet cable from one of the LAN <--> Ethernet ports on the TC that will go to the location of one of the AirPort Express devices. Disconnect the Ethernet cable if it is currently connected to an AirPort Express. Power off both AirPort Express devices if they are on.


Turn off the WiFi on the MBP and connect the MBP directly to the remote end of the long Ethernet cable and make sure that you can get a good Internet connection this way. If you can, this tells you that the Ethernet cable is working correctly and we can proceed to the setup of the AirPort Express that will be connected to that Ethernet cable.


You can turn the WiFi back on at the MBP if all is well.


Post back to confirm.

Dec 18, 2020 5:46 AM in response to John Wilkie

As I mentioned above, the AirPort Express will always get the same IP address which makes for better consistency on the network. If you don't set up a Reserved IP address for the Express, then the IP address that is assigned to the Express will change, possibly once every 24 hours.


That's still probably OK, but the Reserved setup eliminates one more variable on the network. It simplifies things, and it is the simpler networks that always seem to have fewer problems.


So, if you want to do this, you have the instructions. If you don't want to do this, then things will probably be OK as well.


Setting up a Reserved IP address for a printer is a good idea as well.



Dec 15, 2020 10:19 AM in response to John Wilkie

I tried unplugging it and holding the reset button in while plugging it back into power it up. Still no joy. Is there a software reset I could try?


There is, but unfortunately it will probably be one of those Catch 22 situations. In other words, you have to be able to get into the settings for the Express using AirPort Utility, but you won't be able to do this if the Express is not already set up in a normal way.


Open AirPort Utility, click on the Express, and click Edit

Click the Base Station menu.......up at the uppermost top of the screen where you see the other menus like File, Help, etc

Click on Restore Default Settings


Of course, if the Express is defective, this won't work.



Dec 15, 2020 12:38 PM in response to Bob Timmons

The software reset worked on both units. It took at least 30 minutes for the network to "settle". Airport Utility went a bit epileptic for a while e.g. losing the AE's then the TC, the internet feed itself kept dropping, but eventually it all quietened down and normal service is restored (finger crossed!). It's been stable for the last 30 minutes or so.


Putting a couple of Macs through their Time Machine back ups and they seem to be doing ok.


Thank you Bob! I really appreciate the work you put into this.


John


Dec 16, 2020 5:59 AM in response to John Wilkie

The two AirPort Expresses are simultaneous dual band devices. That means that they.....like the Time Capsule.....broadcast both a 2.4 GHz and a 5 GHz signal at the same time. Both signals use the same wireless network name and password.


The reasoning here is that your WiFi devices will automatically connect to either 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz based on their capabilities and location in relation to one of the AirPorts. If a WiFi device is capable of connecting at 5 GHz, it will do so if it is in close proximity to an AirPort. Otherwise, it will connect at 2.4 GHz.


It is not possible to "turn off" the 5 GHz signal on the Expresses.....or....the 2.4 GHz signal for that matter, so the Expresses will always be broadcasting a signal using both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz.


Later today, I will ask if you want to set up "Reserved" IP addresses for the two AirPort Expresses so they will always receive the same IP address from the Time Capsule.

Dec 15, 2020 12:56 AM in response to Bob Timmons

Hi Bob


Thanks for replying so promptly, I appreciate it.


Do you want the EE router to control the distribution of IP addresses to all the AirPorts and other connected devices on the network? There are both advantages and disadvantages to doing this.

My previous set up (which may have not been the best) was the EE router controlled the IP address to the Time Capsule which, in turn created a network to the rest of my house i.e the bedroom and office. I'm unclear on what the advantages/disadvantages are to be honest of either system?


If you call Apple Support, they will tell you that you must set things up this way.

That figures.


It is going to be a long, tedious process to get everything working.

I figured that this would be the case. I have time at the moment, thanks to Co-vid.


You will be using a Mac running a current or recent operating system to set up and check things, correct?


I have been using a MBP with Catalina. Also have an M1 Mac Mini at the end of the line to check the endpoint Wireless.


I cannot tell what product the "Hive Hub" might be?

The Hive Hub is a smart home hub, controls my lights, thermostat etc... similar to Nest. The interface being Homekit.


Thanks


John

Dec 15, 2020 8:24 AM in response to Bob Timmons

...make sure that you can get a good Internet connection when you connect to each of the 3 LAN Ethernet ports on the Time Capsule.

Yes, I can.


If all is well, open AirPort Utility again. Click on the TC

There were 2 warnings. The first was the Double NAT you mentioned, which I ignored. The 2nd was -



Should this be ignored also? I blanked out my IP, LAN IP & Serial Number.


Thanks


John

Dec 15, 2020 10:22 AM in response to Bob Timmons

Ok, so I think there may be a problem with this particular AE unit. I thought I had successfully completed a reset before we started this process, but when I plugged it up and attached the LAN cable it reverted back to it's previous settings i.e. the label I had given it earlier etc... I tried a hard reset and it would't allow me to. I held a paper clip into the reset hole (there was a very faint click) for over 20 seconds, but it stayed green i.e. didn't revert to a flashing amber led. I tried unplugging it and holding the reset button in while plugging it back into power it up. Still no joy. Is there a software reset I could try?


Beginning to suspect a faulty unit now.


I'm going to try the other one and see if it works ok.


Thanks

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