"Relocated Items" folder - Whaaaat?

I just upgraded my iMac from Mojave to Catalina (gulp...). First thing I notice is that the fan seems to be running loud and constantly with no apps open, just the Finder. Hmmm, that's not encouraging, maybe it will get better with the passage of time...


Next thing I notice - it looks like the entire contents of my internal hard drive are completely gone. Where I had about 30 folders of content at the root level of the boot drive, now the only folders there are Applications, Library, System, and Users. All the stuff I care about, gone. Oh, great. Grrrrrr.


Good thing I made a good backup of the drive (using Carbon Copy Cloner) before I "upgraded". I check, the backup on an external drive looks OK, everything's there. So I do a search on the boot drive for something that I know was there right before I upgraded to Catalina. I find it, to my surprise, buried deep in an obscure, never-before-seen folder. Hey, there's everything that's missing. The entire contents of the drive, except for the 4 aforementioned folders, have been shoved down into a rathole:

Macintosh Hard Drive > Users > Shared > Previously Relocated Items > Security


Whiskey Tango...what on earth is this?


Has Apple ruled that customers now can't put anything at the root level of one's hard drive?

The only place you can put files is buried 5 layers deep in this obscure (and inaccurately named) folder "Security"?


Seriously?


If I try to create anew folder at the root level of the drive, it won't let me (the menu item to do so is grayed out). If I try to move a folder there, it won't let me.


It appears the heavy hand of Apple has taken over and is forcing me to keep all my stuff buried 5 levels deep? Really?


Ugh.

Posted on Dec 14, 2020 11:04 PM

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Posted on Dec 15, 2020 3:45 AM

Anything not stored inside your home folder gets moved to /Users/Shared/Relocated Items. There should have been an alias to that folder on your Desktop.


You can't store anything on the root level of the startup drive at all. Keep your files in your home folder.

As mentioned, you can move the files from Relocated Items into your home folder.

Has Apple ruled that customers now can't put anything at the root level of one's hard drive?

Yes.

The only place you can put files is buried 5 layers deep in this obscure (and inaccurately named) folder "Security"?

No, you can put them in the place you were always supposed to put them, in your home folder. You should move anything you want from that folder into your home folder.

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Dec 15, 2020 3:45 AM in response to longtimemacuser666

Anything not stored inside your home folder gets moved to /Users/Shared/Relocated Items. There should have been an alias to that folder on your Desktop.


You can't store anything on the root level of the startup drive at all. Keep your files in your home folder.

As mentioned, you can move the files from Relocated Items into your home folder.

Has Apple ruled that customers now can't put anything at the root level of one's hard drive?

Yes.

The only place you can put files is buried 5 layers deep in this obscure (and inaccurately named) folder "Security"?

No, you can put them in the place you were always supposed to put them, in your home folder. You should move anything you want from that folder into your home folder.

Dec 15, 2020 11:26 AM in response to longtimemacuser666

I'd take issue with their folder naming convention, too: "Previously Relocated Items". There's nothing that was "Previously" relocated.

If it says "Previously," then you had another install of either Catalina or Big Sur prior to the one you completed.

The relocated items are put in a folder called "Relocated Items." If you reinstall the OS, "Relocated Items" becomes "Previously Relocated Items" and a new "Relocated Items" folder is created.

I'm gobsmacked and disgusted. Mostly disgusted.

That won't change a thing. Either get accustomed to it or revert back to Mojave or previous.

I've been using Macs every day both professionally and personally since my first Mac SE.

I've been using Macs since the original Macintosh. I don't have any problem with the changes. I can't imagine how long you've used a Mac has any bearing on the situation.

I've spent many years organizing and tweaking how I store, well, everything, and my organizing structure works well for me.
To get to anything I have to drill down 2 or 3 additional levels in the file hierarchy, before I can get to my existing (and perfectly functional) organizing structure?

Move that meticulous organizational system into your home folder. When I open a new Finder window, it opens right to my home folder. I don't have to double-click "Macintosh HD" to get to anything I need. You could set Finder to always open the top-level folder of your grand and glorious organizational structure and reduce the extra step of double-clicking on "Macintosh HD."

That's just awful, and makes the prospect of just using my Windows machine a lot more attractive.

You're not supposed to store anything on C:\, either. Microsoft has an almost identical home folder located at the same level.

Dec 15, 2020 12:03 PM in response to Barney-15E

Barney-15E wrote:

If it says "Previously," then you had another install of either Catalina or Big Sur prior to the one you completed.
The relocated items are put in a folder called "Relocated Items." If you reinstall the OS, "Relocated Items" becomes "Previously Relocated Items" and a new "Relocated Items" folder is created.

Nope. I had never attempted, or even flirted with, installing Catalina or Big Sur. Last night I backed up all my drives, and took the Catalina leap for the first time. No previous or subsequent updates. Really. It's just a folder label, so fairly trivial, but it's technically incorrect.


Either get accustomed to it or revert back to Mojave or previous.

I understand. "You're holding it wrong."


You're not supposed to store anything on C:\, either. Microsoft has an almost identical home folder located at the same level.

There's nothing stopping me from creating a folder at the root level of C:\ on my Dell PC and sticking files there. That may or may not be a smart thing to do, but Microsoft isn't stopping me from doing it (at least not in the version of Windows that machine is running).

Dec 14, 2020 11:51 PM in response to Eau Rouge

Well, I've been preparing myself for it's dreadfulness by putting it off as long as I could. And yeah, you're right, I've had Catalina running for about 2 hours and I'm already looking back fondly at Mojave. Dreadful indeed.


So I fire up Disk Utility, and yes, you're right, it shows 'Macintosh HD' and 'Macintosh HD - Data'. OK. But... where the *** is that volume? It's not mounted on the desktop like other drives. In Disk Utility, right-click on it and select "Show In Finder" just opens the 'Macintosh HD'. That seems completely broken.


How the heck are you supposed access its contents? Is there any way to mount it like a normal (usable) volume?


Dreadful, yes.

Dec 15, 2020 11:24 AM in response to IdrisSeabright

Close every window, quit out of every app. Start at the beginning.


Double-click the "Macintosh HD" icon sitting on your desktop in the upper right corner.


A Finder window opens, showing the contents of your boot drive. Do you see all your stuff, organized in a hierarchy of folders?


If you're running Catalina, I assume you see: Applications, Library, System, Users...and nothing else.


No?

Dec 15, 2020 12:09 PM in response to longtimemacuser666

longtimemacuser666 wrote:

Close every window, quit out of every app. Start at the beginning.

Double-click the "Macintosh HD" icon sitting on your desktop in the upper right corner.

A Finder window opens, showing the contents of your boot drive. Do you see all your stuff, organized in a hierarchy of folders?

If you're running Catalina, I assume you see: Applications, Library, System, Users...and nothing else.

No?

Nope. I have my settings arranged so that I don't have the hard drive icon displayed on my desktop as I don't find it necessary. If I open a new folder (command -n) in the Finder, it seems to default to "Recent". I don't have the time right now to quit every app but I think the results won't be much different. I have the folders I regularly use in the sidebar but as I don't have very many, I keep most of them on the desktop, too, most importantly my Documents folder. I do have my use account home folder <username> in the sidebar as well so that I can easily access anything there. My other favorite way of navigating back up a tree is to command-click on the name of a window.


I launch most applications that aren't permanently in the dock by invoking spotlight and typing in the first few letters of the application name. I don't recall the last time I actually opened the Application folder.


I'm not saying that my way is "right" or your way is "wrong". What I am suggesting is that you're not taking advantage of all the options of the current macOS.

Dec 15, 2020 12:21 PM in response to IdrisSeabright

IdrisSeabright wrote:
I'm not saying that my way is "right" or your way is "wrong". What I am suggesting is that you're not taking advantage of all the options of the current macOS.

Fair enough, and I can appreciate your viewpoint. But Apple clearly is saying "your way of doing things is wrong and we're not going to allow you to keep doing it. Don't like it, pound sand." Message received.


I am most definitely not taking advantage of some options in recent versions of macOS (because I can't stand them).

Not their problem, they're busy with other things.

Dec 15, 2020 12:29 PM in response to longtimemacuser666


But Apple clearly is saying "your way of doing things is wrong and we're not going to allow you to keep doing it. Don't like it, pound sand." Message received.

But that has always been the Apple way. I try not to get overly attached to any one way of doing things as things will change. And, realistically, it's not just Apple who changes things.

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