"Relocated Items" folder - Whaaaat?

I just upgraded my iMac from Mojave to Catalina (gulp...). First thing I notice is that the fan seems to be running loud and constantly with no apps open, just the Finder. Hmmm, that's not encouraging, maybe it will get better with the passage of time...


Next thing I notice - it looks like the entire contents of my internal hard drive are completely gone. Where I had about 30 folders of content at the root level of the boot drive, now the only folders there are Applications, Library, System, and Users. All the stuff I care about, gone. Oh, great. Grrrrrr.


Good thing I made a good backup of the drive (using Carbon Copy Cloner) before I "upgraded". I check, the backup on an external drive looks OK, everything's there. So I do a search on the boot drive for something that I know was there right before I upgraded to Catalina. I find it, to my surprise, buried deep in an obscure, never-before-seen folder. Hey, there's everything that's missing. The entire contents of the drive, except for the 4 aforementioned folders, have been shoved down into a rathole:

Macintosh Hard Drive > Users > Shared > Previously Relocated Items > Security


Whiskey Tango...what on earth is this?


Has Apple ruled that customers now can't put anything at the root level of one's hard drive?

The only place you can put files is buried 5 layers deep in this obscure (and inaccurately named) folder "Security"?


Seriously?


If I try to create anew folder at the root level of the drive, it won't let me (the menu item to do so is grayed out). If I try to move a folder there, it won't let me.


It appears the heavy hand of Apple has taken over and is forcing me to keep all my stuff buried 5 levels deep? Really?


Ugh.

Posted on Dec 14, 2020 11:04 PM

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Posted on Dec 15, 2020 3:45 AM

Anything not stored inside your home folder gets moved to /Users/Shared/Relocated Items. There should have been an alias to that folder on your Desktop.


You can't store anything on the root level of the startup drive at all. Keep your files in your home folder.

As mentioned, you can move the files from Relocated Items into your home folder.

Has Apple ruled that customers now can't put anything at the root level of one's hard drive?

Yes.

The only place you can put files is buried 5 layers deep in this obscure (and inaccurately named) folder "Security"?

No, you can put them in the place you were always supposed to put them, in your home folder. You should move anything you want from that folder into your home folder.

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Dec 14, 2020 11:36 PM in response to longtimemacuser666

With Catalina your Hard drive is now in theory split into two Volumes Macintosh HD and Macintosh HD - Data,

open Disk Utility so you can see that.


The Macintosh HD is the System, and is read only that is why you cannot move files or folders to it,

or edit anything in it.


The Macintosh HD - Data is your disk and is read and write if you want you can move those relocated

items there and move them up to where Movies, Pictures etc are.


As a long time mac user I would have thought you would have prepared yourself

for the dreadfulness of Catalina, it is over a year old.


You will yearn for the carefree days of macOS Mojave.



Dec 15, 2020 10:02 AM in response to Barney-15E

Thank you for your reply.


Anything not stored inside your home folder gets moved to /Users/Shared/Relocated Items. There should have been an alias to that folder on your Desktop.

Nope, no alias on the Desktop. None.

I'd take issue with their folder naming convention, too: "Previously Relocated Items". There's nothing that was "Previously" relocated. Folder should be named "Everything You Care About That We Decided To Put Someplace You Don't Want". Or "Its Our Computer Not Yours And We Just Tossed All Your Stuff In A Hole So Get Used To It".

You can't store anything on the root level of the startup drive at all. Keep your files in your home folder.

Ugh.

As mentioned, you can move the files from Relocated Items into your home folder.

Ugh.

No, you can put them in the place you were always supposed to put them, in your home folder. You should move anything you want from that folder into your home folder.

I'm gobsmacked and disgusted. Mostly disgusted.


I've been using Macs every day both professionally and personally since my first Mac SE. I have never, ever had any desire, or seen a single good reason, to put ANYTHING in a "Home" folder. Never. Not once. (Presumably you actually mean a "User" folder, because the only "Home" folder on any Mac I've ever owned is the one where I put documents pertaining to my house).


I've spent many years organizing and tweaking how I store, well, everything, and my organizing structure works well for me. Having direct access to all my stuff, organized in a way that works best for me, seems like a really fundamental (and reasonable) expectation. Now that's all out the window? To get to anything I have to drill down 2 or 3 additional levels in the file hierarchy, before I can get to my existing (and perfectly functional) organizing structure? That sounds horrible. Every time I do anything, 2 or 3 more clicks to navigate to the starting point where before I installed this OS, all I had to do was open the hard drive? Ugh. This is going to require (literally) millions of unnecessary clicks (over the years) to navigate the file structure. All for no good reason, save Apple's arrogance.


That's just awful, and makes the prospect of just using my Windows machine a lot more attractive. I don't know whether to laugh or cry or both. I see a lot of posts here by people looking for ways to go back to Mojave...maybe I should just do that.

Dec 15, 2020 10:09 AM in response to longtimemacuser666

longtimemacuser666 wrote:

To get to anything I have to drill down 2 or 3 additional levels in the file hierarchy, before I can get to my existing (and perfectly functional) organizing structure? That sounds horrible. Every time I do anything, 2 or 3 more clicks to navigate to the starting point where before I installed this OS, all I had to do was open the hard drive? Ugh. This is going to require (literally) millions of unnecessary clicks (over the years) to navigate the file structure.

Why do you have to drill down an addition 2 or 3 levels? If you're logged in under your user name, everything should be readily available.

Dec 15, 2020 10:56 AM in response to IdrisSeabright

Before Catalina - to navigate to anything:

  1. Double-click on Macintosh HD on the desktop. Everything I want to access is right there in an open Finder window.
  2. There is no Step 2.


After installing Catalina - to navigate to anything:

  1. Double-click on Macintosh HD on the desktop.
  2. Double-click on Users folder.
  3. Double-click on one of the three User folders there. (Why are there three "Users" or "Home" folders there that I have to pick from? Beats me. I'm the only person who has ever or will ever have access to this computer, but why there are separate "User" folders for <MyName>, <Guest> and <Shared> seems like some stunningly bad choice by one of Apple's brilliant system architects years ago who decided every Mac must have them). But it seems "Shared" is the one that is in play here, so I double-click that one, and continue drilling down.
  4. Double-click on Previously Relocated Items folder.
  5. Double-click on Security folder.


And there, 5 levels closer to the center of the earth than where I started, I find the well-organized contents of my hard drive, as they were at the root level previously.


So by default, now it's 5-clicks down to get where I used to reach with a single click.


I've found that I can eliminate one of the nested levels by creating a new folder (I'm calling it "Everything") inside "Shared" and moving the whole mess up there. Hooray, now I can accomplish in just four clicks what used to take one. That's still 3 more clicks every time I want to access something. OK, I can make an alias of "Everything" and stick it on my Desktop next to the "Macintosh HD" icon (which used to actually have some useful functionality...honestly, now that it's been neutered, what's the practical use for having the original "Macintosh HD" icon on your desktop, other than for nostalgia? It's no longer useful enough to justify taking up the prime screen real-estate...maybe that's Apple's intention).


The answer to your question directly: the imposed file structure mandates multiple extra clicks every time one wants to navigate to their files fro the desktop. It's a really, really horrible user experience. Imagine all the needless RSI damage that stems from this design choice: 5 extra double-clicks (or even just 4) when multiplied by every user, every time they want to access anything...it's staggering. Apple should be working to reduce the number of clicks required to access your data, not increase it...

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