Best way to de-interlace digitized video

I have some old video footage which I digitized to edit in FCP. I want to set up to get rid of the interlace comb effect, but having trouble with the settings. The project is 720p. There is no 720i option, only a 1080i option. Since the files are not HD, seems pointless to output in HD.


If I make the project progressive on the timeline, it appears to have interlace comb effect, so I change the project to upper first and it looks good when I play in FCP, but when I export, the resulting file is playing at the wrong speed and distorted. Just looks horrible. Obviously I am missing something when I output, so I wonder if anyone can tell me how to set this up correctly for the best non-interlace look.

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Posted on Dec 26, 2020 2:47 PM

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Dec 29, 2020 1:54 PM in response to Cartoonguy

That clip is already compressed quite a lot to H.264 with 5000 kb/s so there will be unnecessary generation loss when it is re-compressed again. It would be better to digitize to a less compressed archival codec. I used a DV camcorder to digitize old VHS to .dv archives with iMovie 1.0.2-6.0.3 (I did not like later iMovie versions) ten years ago and did a simple deinterlace to H.264 with MPEG Streamclip then. I recently re-encoded them to bob-deinterlaced 50fps H.265 with ffmpeg with somewhat better quality with about the same file size (with ffmpeg I got slightly better quality and less blockiness in deinterlacing compared to FCP and Compressor although I am not very familiar with all the bells and whistles they have).


Also the interlacing in the sample clip is upper first. But otherwise it is OK with 720x576 25fps.


I did quick test with FCP 10.4.10 in Mojave by deinterlacing that last sample clip with method b) I described earlier here but I had to choose Upper First because the field dominance is unconventional (the usual Lower First would produce jerky back-and-forth movements):


Preserve both fields and double the frame rate to 50fps i.e. bob deinterlace: File > New... > Project > Custom 768x576 50p. Window > Show in Workspace > Info Inspector > Settings > Field Dominance Override > Upper First. File > Share > Apple Devices 1080p..., Format: Computer, H.264 Better Quality [768x576 | 50fps].


The output is 768x576 square pixels 50fps original duration with unique frames (with slower shutter speed progressive footage input every other frame would be a duplicate with this method).


https://www.dropbox.com/s/pn5fbdpb4vkk3nq/bob_deinterlace_50fps.mp4?dl=0

Dec 28, 2020 3:30 PM in response to Cartoonguy

You can't deinterlace it in a 25p project because the file is 25p with interlacing artifacts in the frame. Setting the field dominance to lower fixes it as does putting it in a custom 50p project. I cannot reproduce the half speed problem when the interleaving is switched, also don't see it in a 50p project. Make sure that the clip doesn't have any attributes applied. Ue the Remove Attributes function and see if anything is going on.

Dec 30, 2020 4:24 AM in response to Alchroma

An used Canopus Analog-DV converter would be a better option than the Roxio, or an used Blackmagic Intensity Shuttle.


To de-interlace you can create a 25p project, Then add the clip. Duplicate and stack above each other. For both set Transparency to 50 and Blend Mode to Add. Set Field Dominance Override of one clip to Upper, for the other one to Lower.


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Dec 26, 2020 5:51 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

Ah! So when I go to change the settings, that option is not there, but when I create a new project, it is. So that is the answer!! Thank you, Tom. The original media is also 720x576, so makes sense. Now when I choose upper first it looks best. Progressive has more distortion. Lower first is better than P but not quite as good as upper. Does that make sense?


For editing and colour correcting, is there any value in making the project higher resolution even though the media is SD? When I output for viewing on a computer and HD TV, should I just stick with PAL resolution or should it be converted? I am in Canada, so NTSC.

Dec 29, 2020 10:26 PM in response to Cartoonguy

VHS or Hi8 or even DV quality is not very good compared to current devices like mobile phones and DSLR cameras. So you might not get much better quality than this no matter what.


I used my unnEUtered (*) Sony TRV320E D8 (**) camera to digitize old VHS tapes to .dv (I imported them first to D8 tapes for archive although I could have just used analog-to-DV passthrough. Those old D8 tapes and video-DVDs made carefully with iDVD are now gathering dust because converted .mp4 files are so much easier to use). I once let a friend digitize her analog Hi8 tapes with it because it can playback also analog tapes and digitize them on-the-fly to DV via Firewire (AFAIR works best with footage recorded at normal tape speed because the long play option might easier produce hiccups). Such old D8 or miniDV cameras or analog-to-DV devices might be cheaply available and the cameras might work OK for analog-to-DV passthrough even if their tape mechanism does not work anymore.


Bob deinterlacing a.k.a. line doubling prevents combing artifacts and maintains smooth motion but can cause a noticeable reduction in picture quality from the loss of vertical resolution and visual anomalies whereby stationary objects can appear to bob up and down as the odd and even lines alternate. These techniques are also called bob deinterlacing and linear deinterlacing for this reason.


(*) In Europe there was a silly tax for camcorders that could record analog video. That Sony TRV320E(urope) was unnEUtered by re-enabling the analog inputs and drilling holes to the remote so its Rec-buttons were revealed.


(**) Essentially the same as miniDV but it uses a D8 or Hi8 tape instead miniDV tape.

Dec 28, 2020 10:49 AM in response to Matti Haveri

To all who asked for a sample, here is a short output to examine. https://www.dropbox.com/s/zu93lau14zjrj6c/Sardinia%20test%20forum.m4v?dl=0


I suspect it is something to do with the original video as other videos do not have this problem or look as bad. Maybe it was set to record at half speed or something. I don't seem to be able to tell, but the video does look much worse than other media taken with the same Hi8 PAL video camera, and the other media plays fine set to Lower First. With this clip, setting it to Lower First makes it run at what appears to be half speed.


Many thanks for your help, everyone.

Dec 26, 2020 3:56 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

So I notice actually that when I choose either upper or lower, both in the timeline and export, the video changes to half speed (I think half speed). I have never seen that before. Progressive plays at the correct speed.


Also, I do not see a way to create a PAL project. The option is not there. I am importing into a 16:9 format so that it has black on the sides. I also notice I can choose progressive by clicking on the project or the clip on the timeline. Is that the same thing?

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