sustain pedal causing latency

Besides getting a new pedal, is there any way I could run a test to determine why my Logic Pro experiences significant latency only while I am using the sustain pedal? (Zero latency when not using the pedal.)


I have a simple setup: iMac, Roland A-88, Motu M4, Logic Pro, Big Sur, 16 GB RAM. Everything worked fine before, never had a single hiccup, right before Big Sur. Now I can't play my keyboard like I want to. My first attempt at troubleshooting was to get a new audio/midi interface (the M4) seeing that my old UltraLite was finally made obsolete (thanks Motu!). My M4 and my keyboard are compatible with Big Sur. I really can't imagine my computer is suddenly unable to handle that extra bit of midi data coming from my pedal. This computer can handle recording audio without a problem - a little bit of midi should be cakewalk.


So either my physical pedal is now malfunctioning or there's something software-related I could test. This occurred after a fresh restart where everything was turned on correctly and in the preferred order.


Help! I'd really like to play my only keyboard. : )

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Posted on Dec 29, 2020 5:39 PM

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Dec 30, 2020 12:18 AM in response to Paul Oldewurtel

Besides getting a new pedal, is there any way I could run a test to determine why my Logic Pro experiences significant latency only while I am using the sustain pedal? (Zero latency when not using the pedal.)

Just to clarify, your keyboard is connected with midi to your midi interface. You are not using usb?


Are you saying: you don't perceive any latency without your pedal plugged into the keyboard?

If so , fine.


Now, with your sustain pedal plugged into the keyboard you perceive latency when playing on your keyboard without moving your pedal?

If so, and the only difference is the plugged pedal, you have an issue with your pedal.


What's the model of your pedal? Your keyboard has three pedal inputs which one are you using?

Dec 30, 2020 10:19 AM in response to Paul Oldewurtel

Continous sustain makes only sense if the software instrument support it. Many don't. Do you have latency issues when you set the pedal to switch?

And because you are using USB, are the drivers of the roland keyboard up to date? It's worth to try with midi only, then you need a power supply.

Did you try with different software instruments. Do you have the possibility to try another software instead of Logic?

Dec 30, 2020 8:27 AM in response to yoyoBen

I am using the damper input and I'm using the Roland, single pedal model that came with the keyboard.


My keyboard can work two ways - midi to interface (with the interface using usb to iMac) or just usb from keyboard to iMac. I don't have a power adapter for my keyboard, so I have to use the usb connection from keyboard to iMac to get it to turn on. I did notice that I had my midi cable also connected to my M4 interface, so I undid that and restarted everything. Still have issues.


If I unplug my pedal, I experience no latency even if I play a lot of notes.


With my pedal connected, if I play my keyboard without pressing the pedal, I don't hear any problems. Again I can play lots of notes at the same time and things sound fine.

With my pedal connected, if I start pressing and releasing the pedal, I will hear hiccups in my playing. It seems to be more about the release of the pedal than just pressing the pedal. If I just press the pedal, the notes will sustain and I won't hear problems. But if I release the pedal cause I am changing chords and I want to sustain a new set of notes, I will hear sometimes hear what sounds like latency to me. The notes will sound but there will be a delay before I hear them, like they get saved up and then release and sound. I'm using the pedal like I would always use it and it's never done this before. I don't like playing my keyboard when it does this and I certainly wouldn't bother recording something.


My pedal has a switch that makes its behavior continuous or switch. Continuous is for using it as a sustain pedal. Switch is for making it like an on/off pedal. Of course it is set to Continuous and for good measure I adjusted that switch to make sure it was clearly in position.


Right now, my best guess is it's either a hardware issue (my pedal is broken) or a software issue (since it sounds like latency). I guess I have to go buy a keyboard pedal and see if it goes away.

Dec 29, 2020 5:59 PM in response to Paul Oldewurtel

OK - I just determined that I updated to Big Sur on 11/13/20 and I last successfully recorded midi with pedal on 10/17/20. So even though I have confirmed that I have the right drivers for my A-88 and M4, the main change has been Big Sur. Is the OS now using that much more of my computer's operating power that's it's impacting my midi connection? Seems so unlikely. Could it be the keyboard driver?

Dec 30, 2020 1:53 PM in response to yoyoBen

It’s still happening, just not as often, say once every 4 or 8 measures as I am using the pedal. So I’m changing arpeggiated chords, releasing and pressing the pedal ahead of the chord change and the new notes don’t immediately sound when I press the keys but instead sound a split second later as if they were held up and then released and it’s trying to catch up. (I feel like I am simply describing latency.) It’s just an occasional chord and it quickly returns to playing fine. Never had this trouble with the pedal before - it’s definitely a change.

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