iMacs with 1TB Fusion Drive and 32 (28) GB SSD blade - unbearably slow boot times

Having waited for more than three months for a solution to the unbearably slow boot times of Big Sur on my iMac 27inch 5K 2019 with a 1TB Fusion Drive featuring a 32 (28) GB SSD blade and 40 GB of RAM, I have decided to downgrade my system to Catalina.


Previously, I had tried all possible tricks of the trade, listed in this discussion forum and elsewhere, to make Big Sur start up in less than the 4 to 5 minutes (!) it takes on my system, and on so many others featuring the same specifications (especially, the 1TB Fusion Drive with a 32 GB SSD blade). Many, if not all, owners of such an iMac, have reported and complained about similar boot times of up to five minutes before any application becomes responsive.


There are no login items in my user account, no suspect launch daemons or agents, no antivirus software, no cleaners, nothing... as I have proven elsewhere on this forum by publishing EtreCheck reports. Nothing is responsible for the unbearably long boot times, except Big Sur itself.


After three months and countless re-installs and debugging sessions, some of us have concluded that Big Sur is simply UNABLE to boot in less than four to five minutes on iMacs featuring a 32 GB SSD blade on the Fusion Drive.


I would like to know now if any of you who own an iMac featuring a 1TB Fusion Drive and a 32 GB SSD blade, were able to make Big Sur boot up in a timespan of 30 seconds or slightly more, whilst having a number of apps like Pages, Numbers, Keynote, iMovie, and Adobe Photoshop installed on their system.


For the sake of clarity, only one time I was able to have Big Sur boot up in about 20 to 30 seconds, ONLY right after a CLEAN install and BEFORE I installed the applications I have just mentioned. As soon as I added Pages, Numbers, Keynote, and iMove, the bootup time once again went up to 2,5 minutes or more. Having installed all the other apps (and be sure I don't have too many), Big Sur once again took between 4 and 5 minutes to load.


Apple Logo to login screen: after 1 minute

Login screen to Desktop Background appearing: 1 minute after login screen

Menu Bar and Finder appearing: 40 seconds after desktop background appearing

Desktop items appearing: 10 - 15 seconds after Finder and Menu Bar appearing

Apps becoming available to launch without any delay: between 40 and 50 seconds later...


Apple totally ignores this problem, and it would surprise me if their engineers can actually come up with a solution for the simple reason that Big Sur seems to be too... "big" to have it load directly from the 32 GB SSD (of which actually only 28 GB are available to the OS) instead of having it load from the HDD part of the Fusion Drive upon startup. At every startup I heard my HDD working overtime, copying the OS to the faster part of the Fusion Drive.


Apple Support people tell me that they are unaware of this problem, and another user was told that 4 to 5 minutes "is a normal startup time" for such a system... (Wow!)


To SUMMARISE:


I would like to know now if any of you who own an iMac featuring a 1TB Fusion Drive and a 32 GB SSD blade, were able to make Big Sur boot up in a timespan of 30 seconds or slightly more, whilst having a number of apps like Pages, Numbers, Keynote, iMovie, and Adobe Photoshop installed on their system.

iMac 27″, macOS 10.15

Posted on Feb 24, 2021 4:44 AM

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Posted on Feb 27, 2021 7:35 AM

It is not incompatible, but booting from this is indeed extremely slow.

And Catalina, even if it boots a little faster, is not fast either.

Recent versions of macOS pretty much require an SSD as a boot drive.


If you install macOS on an external SSD connected via USB3 it will be much much faster, and you can use your internal drive as additional storage.


Using a Fusion Drive like this, or even worse, just a rotating hard drive as the boot drive on any mac, is painful.

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Feb 27, 2021 8:46 AM in response to Lanny

You would lose your bet. The HDD and any other part of my almost brand new system is working fine... under Mojave and/or Catalina.


PLEASE read my QUESTION. It am not asking for ANY ADVICE. I have enough knowledge of hard- and software to know what to do. My question is directed to those who have a 1TB Fusion Drive with a 24 or 32 GB SSD blade and have installed Big Sur. I want to know if there is anyone who has boot times that can be called normal (i.e. under 30 to 40 seconds - I'm giving Big Sur a bit of slack as Catalina starts up in 20 seconds...).

Feb 27, 2021 10:48 AM in response to etresoft

Insulting you? Where? How? By criticising your product?


I'm not going to go into a discussion with you because anyone using your product can see for himself what it is doing.


You STILL DO NOT READ what I write. I have not only used Disk Utility to check the HDD. I have other professional software, running on Catalina and older OS versions, and all of them reported absolute no issue whatsoever on the HDD or any other component. If you think I'm lying, come over to my country and check my system yourself.


Now we are getting somewhere... You claim that "other users with similar computers have reported the exact opposite." Can you refer me to them here on the forum? Or did you still not read the specs of my system?!


About my HDD: Can you explain why a failing HDD would be super fast on Catalina and in top condition according to three disk tools?


Can you also please explain why Big Sur booted on my system in 20 seconds right after a clean install, but as soon as Pages, Keynote, and Numbers were installed, its boot time became several minutes, ending up at the very same 4,5 minutes after iMovie, Photoshop and Lightroom were installed?


Logic, my dear Watson, LOGIC!!! Your assumption about my HDD failing is based on nothing but speculation. And all that because I "insulted" your product, stating a fact about it.

Feb 27, 2021 11:14 AM in response to Deep Sky Diver

I read your first post in this topic. However, you didn't include a report for us to review. However, I don't remember contributing to your earlier topics. That's why I asked for additional info.


I purchased Etrecheck to support the developer as I found it to be one of the finest diagnostic tools available to Mac users. It saves us all considerable amount of time in trying to get info about a user's situation so we can try to solve their problem.


If you got Etrecheck from the App Store it would be a dumbed down version of it due to Apple's requirements. So the free version from the developer's site will be more powerful.


Here's a tip: if you want help don't go around insulting those who are trying to help you. It's counter productive to say the least.


Feb 27, 2021 12:15 PM in response to Old Toad

My OP does not need an EtreCheck report. It does not ask for help in order to "solve a problem." It asks a very simple question, which you seem not to understand.


I will ask that question now directly to you:


Do you have an iMac with a 1TB Fusion Drive featuring a 24 or 32 GB SSD blade, and if yes, have you been able to use Big Sur on that system without the boot times (from boot chime until apps become responsive) increasing to 4 or 5 minutes? If yes, you can help me. If no, you cannot help me. Especially not by trying to persuade me to run EtreCheck on a system that is no longer having the boot time problem because it was downgraded to Catalina.


Where did I insult anyone? If there is an insult to be found somewhere in this thread, it could be the one that is caused by the fact that you seem to disrespect my original question, although I have taken plenty of time to clearly explain the context of it, by continually giving me advice I don't need anymore because I have gone through all the steps any of you until now have come up with, and more!


I need to hear from the users of the system I describe in my OP, and only from them. I don't need help. I need information, as I have clearly and repeatedly explained in my OP and in my replies here.


Thank you, for your time, and for trying to no longer waste mine by understanding that I am not insulting anyone, but am being polite enough to answer each and every one of you who do not read my OP, or do not understand it.

Feb 28, 2021 6:54 AM in response to etresoft

You keep on assuming things about me, my iMac, and what I know or not know about hard- and software (since 36 years).


Would you please do me a big favour and stop hijacking my thread for your own commercial purposes of selling stuff that I do not need (and many other people neither)? This forum apparently does not give the option to block someone... a pity.


For the sake of other users who would be following this thread, I answer your last message:


  1. If you would really be helping, you would not give me any commercial tips but refer me to the users owning an identical (and not "similar" as you said in a previous message) iMac who have been able to install Big Sur and the most essential of apps (Pages, Numbers, Keynote, and iMovie) without boot times going up to 4,5 to 5 minutes. You're not helping me, you're patronising me.
  2. I have not been misled by anything on the Internet. I have been posting here about the problem with unacceptably long boot times for at least three months now. Dozens (!), if not hundreds of other users on the Developers forum, have been reporting the very same problem. I have been reporting it to Apple several times (every time after an update of Big Sur). Together with three other users with whom I have corresponded and who have a decent knowledge and many years of experience with Apple hard- and software, we have come to a logical conclusion about how Big Sur is too big to function on iMacs with a 1 TB Fusion Drive featuring a 24 or 32 GB SSD blade. I think this is a very important issue, which concerns a huge number of Apple users. Your "solution" is not a solution but an expensive and unnecessary work-around. I'm refraining from saying more about it...
  3. Your alternative explanation (a failing HDD) makes no sense. I have explained why and given logical arguments and proof for that, more than once previously in this thread. You seem to have some sixth sense and know my system better than I do. I have told you why my HDD cannot be the cause of the problem. Not only because I have tested it extensively with professional tools, but also because many other users report the exact same problem on the exact same system showing the exact same boot times after the exact same upgrade. If I would have "lashed out and attacked", I would have been blocked by the Apple bots.
  4. The performance of my iMac is excellent! Once again, you do not understand what I have written in my OP and in most of my replies to you. It is excellent, under Catalina and Big Sur! However, there is a huge and unacceptable difference in the respective boot times of both operating systems on iMacs with a 1 TB Fusion Drive and 24 or 32 GB SSD blades. Mine is not even one year old! FWIW: once Big Sur is up and running after almost 5 minutes, everything works smoothly, apart from a number of bugs, which I suspect will be ironed out in the long run.
  5. I'm feeling totally fine, thank you. You read too much into my words.
  6. Once more: I do not have any problem with my system. Not anymore. Not after downgrading to Catalina. My OP and the only question it contains, is still beyond your comprehension, apparently. I do not need your help. I do not need your advice. I do not need any peripherals to start up any Mac. Actually, if you would know anything more profound about hardware, you would know that booting from and continuously running operating systems from external drives, is a perfect recipe for a big disaster. I only need to hear from those users whom I have clearly described in my OP, even summarising it in the end.
  7. It is my choice, indeed, and not yours, to keep my system healthy and safe, and to keep this thread on topic!

Feb 28, 2021 8:18 AM in response to Deep Sky Diver

Deep Sky Diver wrote:

Would you please do me a big favour and stop hijacking my thread for your own commercial purposes of selling stuff that I do not need (and many other people neither)?

You are the one who mentioned EtreCheck in your first post. And then you made a false claim about it. At no point have you actually exercised the free functionality that it provides by posting a report. One might even start to think that there is not problem at all with your computer. Perhaps you started this thread solely for the post of posting false statements about EtreCheck. You wouldn't be the first one to do that.

I have not been misled by anything on the Internet.

You are actively misleading others.

Dozens (!), if not hundreds of other users on the Developers forum, have been reporting the very same problem.

Developer forums, eh? You wouldn't be the first person to follow me other to another social media site after certain statements I made in the Developer forums complaining about dishonest developers who violate their developer agreements with Apple. Or perhaps you actually are that same person.

I'm refraining from saying more about it...

Obviously another false statement.

If I would have "lashed out and attacked", I would have been blocked by the Apple bots.

They aren't "bots", they are "people". Just a bunch of people, doing their jobs, trying to help other people, and trying to support themselves along the way. Is that such a crime?


Mar 3, 2021 5:44 AM in response to Deep Sky Diver

I think most people here can make out for themselves who is "actively misleading" others and hijacking a thread to make publicity for his own software.

My money is that it is you. I don't even believe you have a problem. You just wanted to come here to attack and complain.

By the way, I was astonished to find out the number of files and folders your software is using to track things and are left behind after uninstalling it.

Please list all of them and where they are located.

I found a plist and the previous reports. Pretty much what I would expect, and in the locations I would expect.

Mar 3, 2021 11:03 AM in response to Barney-15E

Barney-15E wrote:

My money is that it is you. I don't even believe you have a problem. You just wanted to come here to attack and complain.

I took a peek at the OP's previous posts. There actually is an EtreCheck report in this thread showing excellent performance and no complications. Then they started getting very confrontational and aggressive in this thread after someone suggested an external SSD, which turned out to be an excellent solution. Since then, Apple moderators appear to have deleted a number of their posts. But the "hijacking" accusation is the best piece of projection. The OP has hijacked a number of other people's posts about iMac problems to complain about Apple, Big Sur, and moderation.

Please list all of them and where they are located.
I found a plist and the previous reports. Pretty much what I would expect, and in the locations I would expect.

In the OP's case, they are using the Mac App Store version of EtreCheck. All files would be located in the app's container. It is Apple that creates those containers. Sometimes people, and developers of various "clean up" and "app zapper" apps, don't understand who is responsible for the creation of files. Many of them are created by the operating system for its own use. Deleting those files can cause problems in some cases.

Mar 12, 2021 12:31 PM in response to Deep Sky Diver

I was not talking about you, nor did I intend to offend you in any way. I started my post with "Not quite my experience”.


Fact is, you are right! Apple definitely has a problem with iMacs and Fusion Drives. Something we can all agree on.

Will they fix it? We can only hope!


Peace!




As far as I can recall, who ever started this discussion, asked other users about their experience. Right?


We all just want to make things work.


And I really, really don’t want to offend anybody.


Peace!


Apr 27, 2021 5:04 AM in response to Roelof2

Roelof2 wrote:

I had a spare 128GB SSD an bought a usb 3 enclosure and installed a copy of BigSur. That’s works to. But still Apple needs to make this iMac working like it did!!!

How well did your 2015 iMac run Big Sur back in 2015 or 2016? That’s a trick question, of course. It is now 2021 and Apple has a whole new line of iMacs available - with absolutely zero options for any of those infernal fusion drives.


A late 2015 iMac isn’t yet on Apple’s list of vintage and obsolete computers: Obtaining service for your Apple product after an expired warranty, but it can’t be far off.


If you want to get help with your computer, I strongly urge you to start a new question here in the forums. Please don’t make any assumptions about what might be causing the problem. And please don’t accept anything you see in this thread as true. It may be that your old computer just won’t run Big Sur like a new one. Or maybe you have some other, obvious problem. There is no way to tell. But the fact that you have re-ignited this worthless thread means you are already on a very wrong path.

Apr 27, 2021 5:28 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

This is not America... meaning that some of us are in Europe, and that here, top spec iMacs were still sold with Fusion Drives until last Autumn. I'm in Greece, and last Spring it wasn't even possible to order, let alone buy in a store, a non-Fusion Drive, fully SSD iMac 27inch 5K. And then I'm not even talking about the price difference, which was something like 700 euro - which is the monthly wage of most people here.


If the "crux" of the matter is that Big Sur works fine on SSD-iMacs, but not on Fusion Drive ones, then Apple's claim that it works on ALL iMacs from 2014 onwards, is incorrect, and we should get a free replacement or refund. That is the law here in Europe.


It is clear that you think that a one-year old top spec iMac like mine, running blazingly fast on Catalina, is "old" and we should "move on" (meaning installing external accessories to simply get Big Sur to start up in a normal way, or simply buying a new iMac). Big Sur is either compatible or incompatible. Until Apple comes up with a solution (and I'm sure there is one), then Big Sur is incompatible with our iMacs and should not be published as being compatible.

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