iMacs with 1TB Fusion Drive and 32 (28) GB SSD blade - unbearably slow boot times

Having waited for more than three months for a solution to the unbearably slow boot times of Big Sur on my iMac 27inch 5K 2019 with a 1TB Fusion Drive featuring a 32 (28) GB SSD blade and 40 GB of RAM, I have decided to downgrade my system to Catalina.


Previously, I had tried all possible tricks of the trade, listed in this discussion forum and elsewhere, to make Big Sur start up in less than the 4 to 5 minutes (!) it takes on my system, and on so many others featuring the same specifications (especially, the 1TB Fusion Drive with a 32 GB SSD blade). Many, if not all, owners of such an iMac, have reported and complained about similar boot times of up to five minutes before any application becomes responsive.


There are no login items in my user account, no suspect launch daemons or agents, no antivirus software, no cleaners, nothing... as I have proven elsewhere on this forum by publishing EtreCheck reports. Nothing is responsible for the unbearably long boot times, except Big Sur itself.


After three months and countless re-installs and debugging sessions, some of us have concluded that Big Sur is simply UNABLE to boot in less than four to five minutes on iMacs featuring a 32 GB SSD blade on the Fusion Drive.


I would like to know now if any of you who own an iMac featuring a 1TB Fusion Drive and a 32 GB SSD blade, were able to make Big Sur boot up in a timespan of 30 seconds or slightly more, whilst having a number of apps like Pages, Numbers, Keynote, iMovie, and Adobe Photoshop installed on their system.


For the sake of clarity, only one time I was able to have Big Sur boot up in about 20 to 30 seconds, ONLY right after a CLEAN install and BEFORE I installed the applications I have just mentioned. As soon as I added Pages, Numbers, Keynote, and iMove, the bootup time once again went up to 2,5 minutes or more. Having installed all the other apps (and be sure I don't have too many), Big Sur once again took between 4 and 5 minutes to load.


Apple Logo to login screen: after 1 minute

Login screen to Desktop Background appearing: 1 minute after login screen

Menu Bar and Finder appearing: 40 seconds after desktop background appearing

Desktop items appearing: 10 - 15 seconds after Finder and Menu Bar appearing

Apps becoming available to launch without any delay: between 40 and 50 seconds later...


Apple totally ignores this problem, and it would surprise me if their engineers can actually come up with a solution for the simple reason that Big Sur seems to be too... "big" to have it load directly from the 32 GB SSD (of which actually only 28 GB are available to the OS) instead of having it load from the HDD part of the Fusion Drive upon startup. At every startup I heard my HDD working overtime, copying the OS to the faster part of the Fusion Drive.


Apple Support people tell me that they are unaware of this problem, and another user was told that 4 to 5 minutes "is a normal startup time" for such a system... (Wow!)


To SUMMARISE:


I would like to know now if any of you who own an iMac featuring a 1TB Fusion Drive and a 32 GB SSD blade, were able to make Big Sur boot up in a timespan of 30 seconds or slightly more, whilst having a number of apps like Pages, Numbers, Keynote, iMovie, and Adobe Photoshop installed on their system.

iMac 27″, macOS 10.15

Posted on Feb 24, 2021 4:44 AM

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Posted on Feb 27, 2021 7:35 AM

It is not incompatible, but booting from this is indeed extremely slow.

And Catalina, even if it boots a little faster, is not fast either.

Recent versions of macOS pretty much require an SSD as a boot drive.


If you install macOS on an external SSD connected via USB3 it will be much much faster, and you can use your internal drive as additional storage.


Using a Fusion Drive like this, or even worse, just a rotating hard drive as the boot drive on any mac, is painful.

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Mar 12, 2021 4:15 AM in response to Deep Sky Diver

Not quite my experience. When I first upgraded from os10 to os11, the boot time was indeed 6 minutes.

I than used 'boot into restore from the internet', wiped my fusion drive, and reinstalled Big Sure.

The iMac started up almost as fast as under os10. This was in December.

However, the last os upgrade version destroyed it completely.

Boot time is now the same as booting from a regular heard drive.

So, it looks like things have made worse not better for iMac fusion drive owners.

I guess that there are always sacrifices/compromises to be made in the name of progress. Fusion drive owners might just fall into this category. I won't hold my breath waiting for an upgrade that will address this. Apple has discontinued installing fusion drives for a reason.

Feb 27, 2021 7:49 AM in response to tbirdvet

I have run EtreCheck and even without that piece of software that tries to sell you things you don't need, as a software engineer I knew nothing on my system was or is installed, that could possibly be causing the problem. The problem lies in the fact that 24 or 32 GB SSD blades on Fusion Drive systems are TOO SMALL for BIG Sur.


Thank you, but your answer is irrelevant to my question, which is: HAS ANYONE USING A FUSION DRIVE SYSTEM WITH A 24 OR 32 GB SSD BLADE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE BIG SUR BOOT IN LESS THAN 4 TO 5 MINUTES.



Apr 27, 2021 5:31 AM in response to Roelof2

Dear Roelof,


There are hundreds, if not thousands of us, who have the same problem - since the first developers' beta versions came out and were installed (upgrade or clean install) last Summer. Mr Etresoft claims that none of us know what we are doing when searching for the cause of the problem, although Senior Apple Engineers have confirmed to me (and to others) that Big Sur has indeed a problem with unacceptably long boot times on certain iMacs with Fusion Drives (but not only on those computers).

The only workaround that seems to temporarily help the boot times become somewhat faster, is a clean install of Big Sur, after which either you install all your software ("apps") from scratch, and copy your data over from a backup manually (without using Time Machine!), or restoring all your software and data using a third-party application (e.g. ChronoSync).



He doesn't even seem to understand my OP, in which I clearly detailed every single step I have taken, and every single possible solution I have tried. And now he seems to assume our computers are slow because they are old. Mine is not even one year old. Or that our problem is one of Big Sur running slow, which it is not. This is a thread about trying to find a solution for unacceptably long boot times. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm not going to tell anyone what to believe and what not.


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Jun 24, 2021 11:21 AM in response to Deep Sky Diver

I know this thread died about one month ago, but I thought I would chime in late anyway. I have a mid-2017 imac 27 that I bought from an ebay seller. The imac was listed a having a 1TB internal SSD, but in fact when I received it and checked its specs it had the 1TB fusion drive with 28GB SSD. The seller gave me a $200 credit and I kept the machine.


After using the machine for only a week or so, I started to get a "disk storage almost full" message. This baffled me since I am an incredibly light user of storage. After some reading, I realized that the seller has also shipped me the imac with the fusion drive split. So I was operating solely from the 28GB SSD that was running Mojave.


With some help from folks in the Macrumors forum, I was able to get the fusion drive put back together. As part of that process, Big Sur version 11.4 was loaded on as the new OS. I usually just leave my machine on all the time, but after reading this thread, I decided to do a shut down. I then restarted and used a stopwatch to track the boot times as follows:


10 seconds to Apple logo

25 seconds to Big Sur screen to select user


Now, I need to note that I use my machine for working on the web and have very few applications that boot at start-up and I have next to no items stored on the HDD. So at least in the case of my machine, Big Sur 11.4 does appear to boot very quickly, even with the small 28GB SSD, if the machine is very lightly loaded with any other demands at start-up.

Feb 27, 2021 7:59 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

Well, my late 2012 27" iMac with a 1TB Fusion drive takes 25 secs to boot Catalina. My Late 2015 27" iMac with a 2TB Fusion drive takes about 30 secs to boot Big Sur. I don't see that as particularly "painful". 😎


FWIW, I don't normally shut my Macs down, or even put them to sleep for that matter. Just put the display to sleep. They take no time at all in that case.

Feb 27, 2021 8:42 AM in response to dialabrain

I am absolutely sure it isn't split. During one of the many sessions I spent installing, re-installing, and clean-installing Big Sur, I checked that every single time.


The whole issue lies in the small size of the SSD blade in 1TB Fusion Drives: 24 or 32 GB - in my case 32 of which in fact only 28 are available to the system. Users with 128 GB SSD blades are able to get normal boot times on Big Sur.


Really, thank you all, but PLEASE try to read my FULL original post. I am explaining what I have done so far, what I have tested, what I have been able to do and what not, and my question SIMPLY is: Are there any users who have a Mac with a 1TB Fusion Drive that has a 24 or 32 GB SSD blade, and have been able to make Big Sur boot normally (meaning less than 4 to 5 minutes). I was, but only with a clean install, and ONLY BEFORE I installed - from scratch (not from a backup!) the most basic apps like Pages, Numbers, Keynote, and iMovie. After those installs, the boot time went up again to 4,5 - 5 minutes. And I know many people who are in the same situation, but nobody who is able to use Big Sur in a normal way on Macs like mine, that are LESS THAN ONE YEAR OLD...

Feb 27, 2021 10:33 AM in response to Deep Sky Diver

The free version of Etrecheck from the developer's site is the only version you need. Re run it and post with your reply according to these instructions:


IMPORTANT:

Before running Etrecheck assign Full Disk Access to Etrecheck in the Etrecheck's Privacy preference pane so that it can get additional information from the Console and log files for the report:


Also click and read the About info to further permit full disk access.



Copy the report



and use the Additional Text button to include the report in your reply.



Then we can examine the report and see if we can determine what might be causing the problem.


Mar 10, 2021 11:26 PM in response to etresoft

I would really like to ask you - for the umpteenth time - to stop writing nonsense about me, my posts, and the advice I give. If you are in any way able to help, please do so. If not, you are wasting my and your time here on this thread. You seem to have an obsession about me. I have tried to contact you personally at your office, but your firm does not even have an e-mail address to which your users could write in case of problems. From now on, I am ignoring you completely. If I could, I would block you on this forum. I have uninstalled your software, cleaned out the mess it leaves behind after uninstall, and you can guess what I will or will no longer use in the future. You really seem to have issues with anyone who says something negative about your "baby". I'm sorry, I really feel for you. In order to repair the damage that I have done to you and your software, I offer to design a new app icon for you - for free... Now back to the point and to what really matters:


I have had contact with Apple and they confirm and acknowledge that the problem I have described in my OP and elsewhere, and that so many other users of Fusion Drive iMacs are having since four months, does exist, has nothing to do with hardware or software issues, but is due to the combination of Big Sur and Fusion Drive iMacs, especially those with small SSD blades. I will post another comment on this thread that finally gives the answer to my question of my OP.

May 28, 2021 6:51 AM in response to Deep Sky Diver

Sorry to hear it did nothing for you!

To answer your question. Not at all. All I did was clicking on INSTALL UPGRADE.

I tell you that I did never expect this positive change.

I did a clean install 8 months ago right after Big Sur messed everything up for me. That helped and reduced boot-time by half.

After installing Big Sure 11.2 it all went to **** again. I did a clean install again, this time it didn't help.

Yesterday I installed 11.4. Boot-time is now 34 seconds only. I thought Apple fixed it, but now that that you told me it did't work for you, I am at a loss. So sorry!

May 28, 2021 7:18 AM in response to TGMusic

Thanks for reporting back on how you installed 11.4.


It seems to be a very complicated problem as some users are now reporting much better boot times but others say nothing has changed for the better. I wonder if it has to do with how many large files are stored on the Fusion Drive. For example, I have a Lightroom Classic catalog of over 5,6 GB with Previews taking up almost 190 GB, a Music Library of over 90 GB, an iMovie Library of around 6 GB. My 1 TB Fusion Drive has around 520 GB free space left, so that's perfectly alright. I'm starting to wonder if Big Sur has issues with those large catalogs and libraries. The users who have reported back and said 11.4 (or 11.3) solved the problem for them, all seem not to have any huge photo libraries or Lightroom catalogs on their Fusion Drive.

Feb 27, 2021 7:49 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

It IS incompatible because it does not allow any iMac with the specifications that I mention, to boot in any normal way.


I don't think you have any idea how much slower Big Sur boots versus Catalina, or else you don't believe me. Big Sur: 4,5 to 5 minutes. Catalina: 20 seconds. On the very same system.


If you say that "recent versions of macOS pretty much require an SSD as a boot drive", you are obviously not telling the truth. Mojave and Catalina boot on my system in 20 seconds. Those versions are recent.


Adding an external SSD to my system, which is LESS THAN ONE YEAR OLD to boot it, is like telling someone who bought a new car to replace the engine after less than one year.


If using a Fusion Drive to boot any mac is "painful", then why were iMacs, equipped with a Fusion Drive, being sold (and are STILL being sold in certain countries in Europe!) and promoted in the first place?...


Finally, I did not ask a question to be told what my system is able to do and what it is not able to do. I was asking a question to see IF ANYONE USING A FUSION DRIVE SYSTEM WITH A 24 OR 32 GB SSD BLADE WAS ABLE TO MAKE BIG SUR BOOT IN LESS THAN 4 TO 5 MINUTES.


Thank you anyway, but you did not give an answer to my question.

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