iPhone 13 pro lens flare

dinky2 wrote:

In my view it is a design flaw. The reflections are caused by the covering glass of the lens. Maybe some other non-reflecting material would save the problem. I don't think this is "normal" and if the laws of physics cause the design to not work properly, then maybe the design should be changed. Of course post processing can repair much of this, but that is symptom fighting

In your view is it not a design flaw in my Nikon 5000 DSLR with any of my 3 lenses? Or my Light L16? Or any of the cameras in this link? https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-250004327

or is it not a flaw in every other camera in the world, but is a flaw in one specific iPhone model?

I know it has been seen on other iPhones because I have examples of it on other iPhones in the link I’ve included, and because every camera ever made over the past 150 years will exhibit lens flare when there is a bright light source in the image, or just outside of the image. Please click on this link and see examples of it on other iPhones, Android phones, and $50,000 professional cameras→iPhone Camera Lens Flare and Reflections - Apple Community. PLEASE review this; you will see examples from the following iPhones: 6, 7, 7+, 8+, X, XS, 11 Pro Max, then Samsung Galaxy S21, DJI Drone, Pixel 3, Pixel 5, Pixel 6, Panasonic video camera, Samsung Galaxy Note, Samsung Galaxy S20, Canon DSLR, ARRI Alexa Mini ($50,000 cinema digital camera with $10,000+ lens).

But please click on the link and review it before saying it doesn’t happen on other iPhones.

If you haven’t noticed it perhaps you didn’t take photos with bright light sources in them in the past, or you just didn’t notice.

Look at the photo taken with a Pixel 5 on this page. And all of the photos in this link→iPhone Camera Lens Flare and Reflections - Apple Community and explain why it is not normal when the same thing appears in photos from these cameras: iPhones: 6, 7, 7+, 8+, X, XS, 11 Pro Max, then Samsung Galaxy S21, DJI Drone, Pixel 3, Pixel 5, Pixel 6, Panasonic video camera, Samsung Galaxy Note, Samsung Galaxy S20, Canon DSLR, ARRI Alexa Mini ($50,000 cinema digital camera with $10,000+ lens).

Are you saying it is NOT NORMAL in ALL of those cameras? Then what is “normal”?

Krikor89 wrote:

I just purchased my iPhone 13 Max Pro one week prior, and of course, I am experiencing the same issue and all of my photos are horrendous. I have no idea how people are getting physics involved. Some of these replies are extremely ludicrous. So all of this flare is now normal?! This is absolutely ridiculous and due to this absurd and continued issue, I will no longer remain an Apple customer. I've had enough of this nonsense.

I guess you didn’t read any of the thread, which has examples from several dozen different makes and models of phones, with every example showing lens flare similar to the iPhone 13. THAT is why we say it is normal; every camera ever made exhibits lens flare when there is a light source in or near the image.

Please read the thread you posted to starting with looking at examples on this very page. Then come back here and explain why it is only your iPhone 13, when every example on this page for other model phones shows the same effects.

Here are more examples→iPhone Camera Lens Flare and Reflections - Apple Community

That's because of how Deep Fusion works:

Deep Fusion… uses the A13 Bionic Neural Engine to capture multiple images at various exposures, run a pixel-by-pixel analysis, and fuse the highest quality parts of the images together resulting in photos with dramatically better texture, details, and reduced noise, especially for mid to low light scenes.

About iOS 13 Updates - Apple Support

Various frames of the sequence may happen not to have flare, and so if those frames are chosen the flare will disappear.

If you can find a way, my friend, go for the 13 Pro. It's not that much bigger than the 13 Mini, but the added camera features (3 cameras, not two, lidar sensor and macro photography capabilities) make the upgrade SO MUCH more worthwhile.

• 13 Mini: 131.5 x 64.2 x 7.65mm, 141g
• 13 Pro: 146.7 x 71.5 x 7.65mm, 204g

And the 13 Pro is more durable as it's surgical grade stainless steel, not aluminum as is the case with the mini.

And then you'll know your cases won't fit! LOL

The camera did not "choose the wrong lens."

• If you were taking a macro photo, there will be a shift from the wide to the ultra-wide lens at close distances, a feature that may now be shut off as of iOS 15.1.

• If you choose the 3x telephoto, that lens will be used unless light levels fall below the threshold at which that lens can be used, when the phone will switch to digital zoom of the 1x lens.

This explains the behavior you saw when you occluded one lens.

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It’s not normal .

Those “relics” have always been there, but the new low-light photography capabilities just make them much more obvious to a larger audience than ever before.

Note the two green “spotlight” relics circled in this Xs Max image.

They're an issue with all sorts of devices because of physics and optics.

Panasonic digital video camera:

The next two are from movies shot with $50,000+ digital cinema camera/lens combos like this one:

and even when being used by professional cinematographers on sets with a professional lighting design crew, you still see the occasional flare:

I have in the past posted examples of this same flare occurring at least back to the iPhone 6 as well as on premium Androids, and digital video cameras from camcorders to $50,000 professional cinema camera/lens combinations.

Just a couple quick ones showing the issue is common to premium smartphones:

and one showing that cinematographers for Hallmark Channel productions should apparently stop using that low grade ARRI stuff:

Lens Flare ! And that too of this level wasn’t expecting in I phone 13 ! Thought I’ll be taking good sunrise sunset pictures while I’ll be at sea but now it seems like it will be **** to first adjust the phone and then take the pic ruining all the angle!

The newest phones, which are their best cameras to date are garnering loads of complaints about lens flare. Wonder why? Because as cameras get better on cell phones, artifacts become more apparent.

Here's an article about the newest Google Pixel 6 and 6 Pro --> https://today.in-24.com/News/507855.html

Only whoever wrote this claims they have "flagrant failure with its camera: it generates ‘lens flare’" demonstrating like most who think this is solvable, their lack of photographic understanding.

From the Google Pixel Forum, is this photo, where the user is complaining that their Pixel 6 shouldn't be doing this:

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I was recording some fireworks and there was a reflection of every firework in my video. I think it would be more accurate to call it lens reflection than lens flare. The streaks of light coming from the lamp and the fireworks are flares, but you can see an exact replica of the firework at the bottom of the shot. That is a reflection.

Is this normal on the new iPhones? I previously had an iPhone SE (1st gen) and did not notice this type of reflection before. I just got a 13 mini. Maybe it's better to stick with a low quality phone for casual pictures and videos...

Videos showing the mirroring problem in more detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwBVv3JtRCY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh7M5Y5QGDY