Delete volume, folder or file from Time Machine backup

I've noticed that my Time Machine keeps a previously existing volume in my backups. I no longer use that drive and to save 200+GB of Time Machine space I want to delete it from my backups.


I am not given a choice of deleting that specific volume from the backups using either Finder or within the Time Machine application. I can't delete a single folder or a file either.


This doesn't change although I login using an admin account.

This doesn't change after I reboot the machine.

I'm currently on macOS 11.6 Big Sur but I've had this problem or inability since version 11.2 at least.

The volume isn't present in my system, or even available to reconnect, so I can't go the route of excluding it in the Time Machine preferences.


Is there a preferences file where some settings are stored which are not presented by the GUI, maybe under ~/Library? I'm accustomed to editing xml files. I just need to know in what direction to look. Just hit me. :)


So much seems to have happened to Time Machine with macOS version 11. Unfortunately none of the guides I've found by googling applies to Big Sur and my issue.

MacBook Pro 13″, macOS 11.6

Posted on Oct 11, 2021 5:59 AM

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Nov 1, 2021 4:10 AM in response to M_Risberg

If your Time Machine drive is formatted APFS (Case Sensitive), you cannot alter the disk in any way short of erasing it and starting over. The new method uses APFS Snapshots to create the backup. It is in no way similar to the old method. That may have something to do with not allowing you to delete items from the backup, but I don't know for sure. I haven't read anything that tries to explain why--most likely because nobody really knows.

There isn't any sort of database to edit. That's not how Time Machine ever worked.

Nov 3, 2021 6:06 PM in response to M_Risberg

You are asking for something that is currently not known to be possible.

This website blog may have the answer if it is ever discovered: https://eclecticlight.co/2020/06/29/apfs-changes-in-big-sur-how-time-machine-backs-up-to-apfs-and-more/

Search there for "APFS Time Machine" and you'll find many articles about APFS Time Machine backups, like this one which does talk about deleting items:

https://eclecticlight.co/2021/03/22/time-machine-to-apfs-backup-structure-and-access/

Oct 11, 2021 6:41 AM in response to dialabrain

Well, ones need's do not automatically apply to others. I need to delete, that's just it. This time I want to save 200GB of space on my backup unit, the other time I needed to delete a confidential document that ended up in the backups by mistake.


And I'm going to correct you although being lower in level: It has always been a great idea to be able to remove files you do not longer wish to keep. Remember: Computers work for us, not the other way around. With older versions of macOS, there was a fully implemented and supported way to do this.


Come on, Time Machine isn't 20+ years old 😉


Still, thank you for responding.

Oct 11, 2021 7:26 AM in response to M_Risberg

AFAIK - just 18 years in Apple Eco-System and in context " It tends to or may even corrupt the Time Machine Backup index file(s) use by TM Backup.


One always run that risk if doing so - IMHO


Do you have a Rescue Plan In-Place. This comprises having 3 Backups using 2 methods and 1 Off Site incase of Theft, Loss or Natural Disasters. A Time Machine Backup  is very useful and can be used to Revert to Previous Working macOS. For addition purposes - two Tested Bootable Clones each to separate external drives. This is insurance incase the upgrades goes sideways. At least one Tested Clone and / or Time Machine Backup should be Off - Site



Nov 1, 2021 2:45 AM in response to Owl-53

Does anyone else know how to solve this?


What about editing the backup database itself? There just has to be someone that has edited the TimeMachine database to solve bugs or errors like this.


What about some trick to exclude every backup that is older than a certain date? Not just deleting older backups but to exclude any backups, within until the latest one, that originated before a certain date ..?


Any TimeMachine experts in the forum?

Nov 1, 2021 5:18 AM in response to Barney-15E

Hi Barney.


In my latest backup as of an hour ago, there is a volume included in it called "INSTALL 1" (besides other volumes also included in the backup). But, there is no such volume ("INSTALL 1") present in my system. Why does it end up in my backups, that is my main question. That volume contains files of up to 200GB.


If there would be no TimeMachine database to look into, where would TimeMachine even find this volume? There's no such volume present. No, of course there's at database of some sort that is in need of some manual manipulation to fix this.


Okay, so the problem might be the snapshot system instead of TimeMachine. Does anyone know how to access the inner settings of the snapshot system? I've tried erasing all local snapshots, still this ghost volume shows up in my recent backup.

Nov 1, 2021 8:32 AM in response to Barney-15E

Yes, I had an external drive by about that name (but not exactly) connected earlier this year that happened to be backuped. Usually external drives won't be backuped by default, but this one was. I don't have that drive anymore and that data needs to be deleted from my backups. It doesn't belong to me.


Yes, I want to store other data, like more backups, on that space rather than keeping the data that shouldn't be there. 200GB is 10% of my backup drive = too valuable to just waste and way to interesting a question (to me at least) than just to accept that it isn't possible . Of course it is, I just need to dig deep enough to find the right answer. :)

Nov 1, 2021 11:18 AM in response to Barney-15E

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I sure do want to get my space back.


I want to delete a certain volume from the backups. How is that not an urge to get free space back? And I also want to get rid of this certain data from my backups as it doesn't belong to me.


I seem to have found multiple databases containing information about TimeMachine. I'm trying to figure out how they are formated.

Nov 3, 2021 3:16 PM in response to Barney-15E

Actually, I DO want the space back — I just don't agree with you when I hear that erasing everything is the only way of getting rid of the specific data I want to delete. That is, I firmly believe that there's a nuance missing here.


I get it that this might not be at all important to you to solve. To me though it is something that I would like to learn. I'm interested in things like this. I mean ...


Q: I want to delete a file.

A: Delete the whole disk.


Are you not at all bothered with an answer like that? You're a level 10 member. Why don't we try to solve this together but in a less brutal way?

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