MacOS Monterey installer fails to upgrade Big Sur 11.6.1 on iMac with ALL OEM HARDWARE

I have a 2017 iMac 18,3 with all Apple OEM hardware, running Big Sur 11.6.1. The OS 12.0.1 installer fails to install on my machine. I've tried the following: 1) install from System Preferences/Software Update, 2) install from bootable USB installer, 3) install from external USB SSD running Monterey on my iMac (so, the machine WILL run Monterey), 4) install from Recovery mode, and all fail. When I installed from the external SSD running Monterey, it actually wrote the OS to the "Macintosh HD" sector on the internal drive, but would not boot. This resulted in all subsequent attempts to work backwards to Big Sur failing since the machine "thought" that MacOS 12.0.1 was already installed. I finally deleted the "Macintosh HD" data, and reinstalled Big Sur from Recovery mode on the internal disk. There is another thread here addressing failures to install on machines with aftermarket internal drives, but that does not apply here. I have seen a couple other posts on this issue, but no evidence of progress, as the original thread addresses a different issue. I'm trying to start a new thread on the NEW PROBLEM.

iMac 27″ 5K, macOS 11.6

Posted on Nov 19, 2021 5:11 AM

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Dec 24, 2021 7:34 AM in response to sold55

Has one attempted the update to Big Sur 11.6.2 Released Dec 13, 2021 and then attempting the upGrade to Monterey 12.1 also released Dec 13, 2021.


Who knows, perhaps there is something in 11.6.2 needed to prepare the machine for Monterey - pure guess work.


Though, have seen some users attempting the Big Sur 11.2.1 or 11.3 or 11.4 attempting the jump to Monterey with failures. In their cases, updating to current available Big Sur and presto - Monterey will install.


Worth a try ?

Nov 19, 2021 5:58 AM in response to CorvusCorax99

Hi,


does you iMac have an internal HDD or SSD? I know that from what I have seen, Monterey will not install on hard drives.


Beyond that, were you running the installer from a Standard User or Admin account? Did you have any external USB storage devices attached?

I ask about the two above, as both do impact the success likelihood, the former in a positive way (ergo run from you Mac’s Admin account) and the latter negatively (ergo, remove all storage devices (HDDs, SSDs, flash drives and SD cards) before trying the install.


I did have initial problems on the first Monterey install attempt; but I am running on a 2014 Mac mini with 3rd party (personally replaced) internal SSD (from OWC/MacSales) that had never given me issues. Following my own advice the second attempt, Monterey installed properly and has run well for the past week.


That said, if you want to try. Installing again, try my suggestions and post back if you’ve questions.


Cheers,


Anthony

Nov 19, 2021 12:51 PM in response to CorvusCorax99

CorvusCorax99 wrote:

"Supported"?

Well, there are different levels of "support".


1) Download installer via Software Update. Run installer from local hard drive. Works great for about 70 million people. This is the method that Apple actually tests.


2) Some other installation method that is actually documented somewhere on an Apple Technical Support document. Sometimes system administrators do this, but it is actually quite rare. I assume someone at Apple tests these methods before publishing a document on it. But once the document hits the internet, the clock starts ticking on its expiration date, which will arrive long before the document gets deleted.


3) Some other installation method published on the internet. Sometimes people try these. Sometimes they even work. Mostly what they do is generate posts like this in Apple Support Communities.


It's your computer, you can use whatever method you want. People who try #1 almost always have success and go about their lives. People who try 3,2 or 2,3 tend to have many more problems. Furthermore, even attempting 2 or 3 can sometimes make 1 impossible.

Interestingly, attempted to load from Recovery (booted from the external SSD) resulted in the "...firmware..." popup message that others with non-OEM hardware have reported.

I'm not familiar with any such message. This is where those screenshots, or iPhone pictures, really come in handy.

Otherwise, the installation simply halts, and the computer boots from the System Volume and the old OS, with "MacOS Installer" listed as a bootable option on the manual boot screen.

It is kind of like cooking. No matter what technique you use, you'll find un-scrambling an egg to be very difficult.


I recommend booting into Internet Recovery mode and erase the hard drive entirely. In Disk Utility, you'll have to use View > View All Devices to access the lowest-level hard drive structures to erase.


Use the instructions here: Use macOS Recovery on an Intel-based Mac - Apple Support

Make sure to pick the "Option-Command-R" to perform an Internet Recovery. Otherwise, it won't let you completely erase the hard drive.

Nov 19, 2021 8:28 AM in response to etresoft

"Supported"? I believe three of the four methods I described are supported (Method 3 is not), and in fact recommended by Apple Tech Support. Typically, the failure mode involves the installer running until the "restart" phase, and then after two restart attempts, the installation dumps to the "Macintosh HD" boot volume, and boots up in Big Sur. It appears that the installer fails to complete the installation, as "MacOS Installer" is still included on my manual boot ("Option" key) screen, and "Macintosh HD", the System Volume still includes Big Sur. Interestingly, only Method 3 (not recognized by Tech Support) actually ran to completion (and removed the "MacOS Installer" from the boot menu). I was able to force the installer to close by running it from the external SSD, with the computer booted from that drive (i.e., Method 3). Unfortunately, that resulted in copying an unbootable copy of 12.0.1, and a whole host of other problems (that I've since resolved). Interestingly, attempted to load from Recovery (booted from the external SSD) resulted in the "...firmware..." popup message that others with non-OEM hardware have reported. Otherwise, the installation simply halts, and the computer boots from the System Volume and the old OS, with "MacOS Installer" listed as a bootable option on the manual boot screen.

Nov 19, 2021 8:33 AM in response to WESTCOASTHOPKINS

It has a 2T Fusion Drive. I DO have external HDD and SSDs attached, but have ran the installation with them disconnected. I believe Install only runs when logged as Admin (hence the "Unlock" popup at the beginning of the install), and my user account has Admin privileges. I've also ran the installer from Terminal, as "sudo." No joy. Interestingly, the EFI sector includes what appears to be a current file under the "Firmware" folder, that was changed when I reinstalled Big Sur from Recovery. No idea if that matters.

Nov 19, 2021 10:07 AM in response to CorvusCorax99

Hi, I have the problem myself. iMac 2017 external ssd samsung. Could there be a problem with this? But how to update SAMSUNG SSD?


In later iterations of MacOS 10 and MacOS 11, Apple’s install would not always update the firmware of systems using 3rd party NVMe storage—even if the operating system itself was installed properly. Unlike macOS 11 (“Big Sur”) which required no firmware update, Monterey will not successfully install on a machine with an OWC SSD installed if the firmware is older than the fall-2019 macOS 10.15.x Catalina iteration. This impact will be noticed when attempting to install or update an OWC Aura N2 or OWC Aura Pro X2 SSD.

Any users who might be encountering this issue should update their system firmware to the latest (4xx.0.0.0.0) before attempting to install macOS 12.x on their OWC Aura N2 or OWC Aura Pro X2 SSD. We recommend confirming the current firmware version under System Report. The host firmware version can be confirmed under System Report –> Hardware Overview –> System Firmware Version. 

Dec 14, 2021 2:06 PM in response to CorvusCorax99

An update, rather than a reply. Assuming I am NOT the only one out there whose all original-equipment iMac (2017) fails to update to Monterey (Apple Tech Support suggested that the problem has been reported elsewhere), I just wanted to update that the latest Monterey release (13 Dec 21, 12.1) also fails to install, in a similar failure mode. I'm uncertain if the latest release addresses the failure to install on systems with 3d-party/aftermarket upgrade drives. The Big Sur 11.6.2 upgrade DID install successfully, so I suppose that's something.

Nov 19, 2021 2:51 PM in response to Venasoft

I think the failure to install on systems with aftermarket internal drives is exhaustively examined in another thread. My system has all original OEM (Apple) internal drives, but still exhibits the "... unable to install required firmware update..." message that other users have encountered. The guidance to "...update their system firmware..." is where you lost me. If this is the firmware contained in the EFI boot sector, it looks like Apple quit maintaining that update page a few years ago. Is there a way to update firmware (other than the EFI boot firmware upgrade included in the Monterey installer)? Others on this forum have indicated that requires a trip to an Apple store, and putting the device in DFU (device firmware update) mode. Tough for me, as the nearest Apple store is several hours away.


As far as installing Monterey on an external SSD. I simply attached my (OWC) SSD to my laptop, already running Monterey, and ran the Monterey installer again. When the window appeared asking to select a drive to install to, I selected the external (bootable) SSD. It installed without a hitch. My iMac that I can't get Monterey installed on boots fine from this external drive, but that has other undesirable side effects, for me anyway.

Dec 24, 2021 8:30 AM in response to WESTCOASTHOPKINS

"does you iMac have an internal HDD or SSD? I know that from what I have seen, Monterey will not install on hard drives"

All other comments aside, earlier this week I successfully installed Monterey 12.1 onto a 500 GB WD Black SATA drive in a Sabrent USB enclosure. It booted just fine; fairly slow as it's read/write speeds are in the 140-150 MBps range.


It's now in our safe as a "disaster" external bootable HD. It successfully booted from a pair of 2020 27" iMacs, a 2015 21.5" iMac and two MacBook pros ... 2016 and 2020.

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