Huge snapshots with no clear reason

Dear all,

it's been about one month since this started: the available free space of my 2016 MBP with macOS 12.2 started to go down dramatically. Normally I have 140Gb out of 500Gb free. It went down to 20Gb, until I shut down, let it rest for a while, and boot up, which brings it back to anything between 120 and 140.

Restarting doesn't help, instead.

Going to Disk utility shows something strange happening yesterday before 10pm:

But look at the private size ... 92MB of data relative to that snapshot occupied ... 22.5GB?!

Why? How? What may be happening?

I've used the GrandPerspective app to check whether I had some mysterious app creating 22GB of waste, but no, it even says that my used disk space is 350GB, which seems correct.

Is this a bug somewhere? What can I do to diagnose this?


If you want to ask what I was doing around that time, I had just finished with my daily workflow, using mainly Avid Sibelius and Adobe InDesign, and connected my TimeMachine disk to perform backups, all of which just completed fine.


Thank you

MacBook Pro 15″, macOS 12.2

Posted on Feb 9, 2022 1:58 PM

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Feb 9, 2022 5:00 PM in response to NotationMaster

My first guess would be Adobe Creative Cloud caching and perhaps Avid does too. You could exclude those cache directories if you can find them. In the Time Machine Preferences -> Options you can exclude them from the backup but I guess the snapshots would still capture the data.


Another thought, perhaps you could move the caches to a scratch disk and that would get them off your primary internal disk. Or maybe even a partition on the internal disk.

Feb 10, 2022 6:06 AM in response to BlueberryLover

That's correct!

I'm now suspecting that the Bin may have been in the process of deleting files of 30 days ago which "may" have amounted to 20GB (cannot remember if that could be, but let's say it could).

Suddenly there would be this difference between the system at 9pm and at 10pm, so it would make a snapshot of all those before actually removing them, effectively giving the user 24h after the initial 30 days to still recover things.

Just an assumption though.


I am not working with files greater than 30MB each, and normally my Sibelius files do not exceed 1MB.

Feb 10, 2022 6:23 AM in response to NotationMaster

Interesting.


In my case, I store backup disk images (up to 55GB) on the system disk which are normally excluded from Time Machine backups but (as I now understand) not from local snapshots. I wonder if this could explain certain Disk Utility errors (Error 60) which could result from automatic purging of local snapshots when the free space on the system volume is low.


Feb 9, 2022 3:39 PM in response to James Brickley

Curious, I'm actually in touch with Howard about this issue and trying to figure this out.

He suggested that some app I'm using, quote, "is using very large cache files which change a lot like VM cache. Doing that is incompatible with snapshots".

I'm not sure what that Virtual Memory usage may be, but what could cause such a big snapshot?


Do you have any practical suggestion on what I could do?


Few more pictures attached to further refine the issue:

 

Feb 10, 2022 5:32 AM in response to NotationMaster

My thinking was that there could be large files (open and being modified) which could contribute to the large size of the snapshot. I had presumed that such files could be excluded but I see from this thread that local snapshots include all files so no impact on snapshot size.


I am a bit surprised about exclusions. For example, what if the Time Machine exclusions list lists multiple external volumes? Including them would certain balloon the size of the snapshot.



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