Optimized charge, battery health management ad AlDente App.....

Hello, I bought a macbook air m1 in January 2022.

I use it almost constantly connected to the electricity net. I have noticed that optimized charging is not working. It always charge 100% virtual.

Instead, battery healt management works, in fact 100% on menu bar, is actually about 95/99% in real. In fact, Coconut Battery tells me the real percentage, while MacOs, while indicating 100%, reduces the maximum charge capacity a little due to the battery health management (different from optimized charge !!).

The terminal command "ioreg -l -r -n AppleSmartBattery" also seems to confirms this fact.


My question is, if I use the Aldente App to always limit the charge to 80-85% I have benefits or is it better to let MacOS manage everything and constantly keep the battery at 100% virtual (95-98% real)??

To date, after 9 cycles the maximum health capacity of the battery fluctuates between 99.4% and 101%. (From Coconut and Terminal)


My latest Mac, a macbook pro 15 "from 2010, always leaving it at 100% was at 96% health after 4 years and 600 charge cycles.

So: is this obsession of the last few years with having to leave the battery charged to the max at 80% real?

Does Aldente improve life, make it worse, or make no difference?

I would like to know the opinion of an Apple technician. I now very in depth Lead Acid battery and sufficiently LiFePo4 battery in solar application, but not Lithium-ion or Lithium Polymer battery.

Thank you

Posted on Mar 27, 2022 4:26 PM

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Mar 27, 2022 5:13 PM in response to Hunter-85

Does Aldente improve life, make it worse, or make no difference?


I'm not an Apple technician, but it seems to me Apple's engineers have invested countless hours and untold millions of dollars developing their power management technologies. For some third party to allege they possess the knowledge to improve upon Apple's highly proprietary hardware and software it is not reasonable.


We have been waiting years for some major breakthrough in battery technology, and it's just not happening. Lithium polymer batteries impose a lot of engineering design challenges and limitations, but the power density they offer is as good as it gets for now.


Let your Mac work the way it was designed to work. They obsess enough about these things, so you don't have to.

Mar 28, 2022 5:21 AM in response to Hunter-85

As you know lead-acid batteries are a completely different technology, if you can even use the word "technology" to describe something you can literally make in a kitchen. Charging intelligence has to be provided by something external to them, otherwise you will kill a lead-acid battery in no time.


My first portable computer has a lead-acid battery. It lasted 20 minutes on a charge, and it wore out in about a year.


I am not a computer technician or software engineer but I think making an app like aldente and the like is quite simple.


I am, and yes it is. It's effortless to write something in an effort to convince someone to part with a Jackson for its "pro" version. It's the lowest of low-hanging fruit. Get someone to create some happy cartoon character for it, and you've got a recipe for success.


It is enormously more complicated to design an automatic management system than a simple App that disconnects the charger at some point.


Yes it is.


I'm surprised there isn't an App Store version, or a product similar to it. Perhaps there is; I haven't really looked.


But in many forums it is now law to say that leaving the Mac at 100% connected to the Net causes rapid destruction of the battery.


Typical self-appointed "expert" nonsense.


In case you haven't seen it, Batteries - Why Lithium-ion? - Apple

Mar 28, 2022 1:17 AM in response to John Galt

Thanks for your opinion. I also think more or less the same thing, and coming from the world of solar or stationary lead acid batteries, I know for example that the manufacturers of these batteries have recommended very few things for 30 years to guarantee maximum performance (3 step charge, keep the 100% as much as possible, equalization in some case and temperature compensation etc ..).

While the sellers of chargers and accessories always offer a bunch of techniques (7-step, 9-step charge, pulse charge) that battery manufacturers and scientific research HAVE NEVER recognized. Often these extravagant and complicated features even result in the loss of the battery manufacturer's warranty.

I think something similar happens in the world of third-party apps and Li-ion batteries.

I am not a computer technician or software engineer but I think making an app like aldente and the like is quite simple. And if Apple (or android) has not provided for a manual charge limit by the user, it is not due to inability, but a deliberate choice.

It is enormously more complicated to design an automatic management system than a simple App that disconnects the charger at some point.

But in many forums it is now law to say that leaving the Mac at 100% connected to the Net causes rapid destruction of the battery.

Even now it is said that those who always use a macbook as a desktop should leave the battery at 50%.

I also think that what degrades the battery is not 100% itself, but rather the continuous charging from 80 to 100%, which is the part where the most temperature is generated.

But if this doesn't happen all the time, the operating system lets it calmly reach 100%.

Which is actually a slightly lower real percentage.

Mar 29, 2022 12:29 PM in response to John Galt

Thank you, yes I now the article.

Li-ion battery have the best density energy on the market. Bat lifepo4 have more cycles durability and some type of lead acid even more. For example big stationary Opzs tubular plate flooded lead acid battery. Theyr life can be to 15/20 years of standby use or 4000/6000 cycle. But they energy density is poor and you can discharge regularly only to 30% DOD to last maximum life. And they need a precise maintenance regularly. Refill lost water and periodically equalize charge to combat electrolyte stratification on the floor of the battery. But they can life without problem 12/15years and maybe 20 years,before their capacity drop less 70\80% of nominal capacity.

Li ion and lifepo4 can be discharged regularly with 80/90% DOD.

But li ion have no exceptional cicle life, I think from 600 to 1200 cycles.


Li ion and even more lifepo4 can be charged and discharged with hy current rate (1C). Lead acid have a seafty limit of 0.1/0.2C in charge(the charge is extremely slow, 24 hours from 0 to 100%).

And discharging with high C rate cause the drop of real capacity.

These is peukert coefficient.

Lithium battery have more better peukert coefficient and they conserve almost 100% of nominal capacity also with high C rate (high discharge current).

These is because have very low internal resistance.

Personally I don't now why lithium battery don't love 100% SOC.

Instead, I now why lead acid battery extremely love 100% SOC and in some case regularly controlled overcharge.

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